Season 6 Tell All
Tamron Hall: Meri opens up about the shocking story that’s made headlines around the world.
Meri: You all know it’s not surprise that I have been struggling with stuff.
I don’t know if it has anything to do with the fact that when Mariah left to college I don’t know if that just kind of set me in this weird place.
I need to figure out how to define myself. And I don’t know exactly what that’s going to mean.
I don’t know if I just need to dive head first into school and forget everything else. I don’t know if I need to go away for a week on a camping trip out by myself.
Don’t be surprised if I just up and leave and gone.
Anyway so I guess I’m just telling you guys to not be surprised when I do some really weird off the wall thing. Because you never know what I’m going to do.
She added in a line on this that we hadn’t seen before. Really weird off the wall thing was leaving them to be with me. It had nothing to do with she was protecting them from a “catfish”. She again proves she is lying by saying this. And adds in you never know what I’m going to do. That’s bragging. She was being arrogant because she knew she was out of there. Finally.
Tamron Hall: Robyn what were you thinking during that exchange? What did you think Meri was talking about?
Robyn: Meri hasn’t been herself for a long time.
Tamron Hall: Janelle?
Janelle: You know it just seems Meri has seemed to be a little more distant from the family and we keep trying to, we are anxious to help her in any way we can. And I think we are all just trying to figure out how that is best done at this point.
Tamron Hall: Kody take me back to that conversation, what did you think when you heard what Meri was saying?
Kody: I didn’t know what to think. I’m waiting for her just to express something to me. And at the time it just seemed so vague. I don’t even know. And I don’t want to push her. She hasn’t felt well for a long time. She hasn’t felt or she hasn’t seemed like herself for a long time. And
Tamron Hall: You say a long time, give me, in the last few year or since Mariah left? What?
Kody: To me in my head its like 6 months. I don’t remember exactly. I just, I’m actually afraid to push too hard because I’ve been asking that question a lot What’s wrong Meri? What’s going on? And she’s like, I don’t want to talk about it I don’t, I can’t talk about it.
6 months was the length of our affair. March 1st 2015 to August 23rd, 2015. She did talk about it but she never told him she was having an affair with me.
Tamron Hall: Just a few days before I was to sit down with the Browns shocking news broke. Meri had been catfished unbeknownst to Kody and her sister wives. She had engaged in an online relationship. Meri believed it was with a man named Sam. But now it appears Sam may not exist. And the person behind him may actually be a woman.
I do exist. And my name is Sam. The catfish story was created online by trolls. Not at all by Meri. She just went along with the lie to cover her own ass. She figured out the only way to get away with having an affair with me would be to claim it was a woman, claim we never met, and claim everyone but her is lying about all of this.
In her lies she told her family a lot of things that were not true. That is all they had to go on. And she had never lied to them to this extent before. So they believed her. But they all questioned her truth. All of them have their doubts about it and even Robyn has admitted several times she believed for months Meri was having a real affair with me.
Tamron Hall: Meri I want to talk to you about something that I know is difficult. Your eyes are already tearing up. It’s been revealed that you had an online connection with someone, who may not have been who you thought. Tell me what happened?
Tearing up why? If it was just a friendship and only talking why all of the emotions about me? Why wouldn’t the only emotion she ever have is anger? Why does she cry every single time she talks about me? Because we were in love. And she was still in love with me at this point. We had only been broken up 2 months at the time of this interview.
Meri: How much time do you have?
Tamron Hall: I’ve got as much as you need.
Meri: Um, last time we were here, it was about that time the legal divorce between Kody and I had been made public. And throughout that month all of us were getting bombarded with questions of what’s going on, you know did Meri divorce Kody? Why did Meri divorce Kody? and lots and lots and lots of comments to me cheering me on. That I had finally left him.
A lot of people do want Meri to leave Kody because they see how he treats her. He sees she has not been happy in years. He doesn’t pay any attention to her, he makes her do the work and the organizing of the family stuff. He treats her like an employee not like his wife. They aren’t in love anymore. And haven’t been in years.
Tamron Hall: This, online?
Meri: Online, yeah. It was all social media. And I guess I just kind of got into this vulnerable state where I was open to friendships and relationships outside of my family. Outside of my safety zone. And people started reaching out to me and there was this one particular person who did reach out to me and he and I started talking online through social media and then we started talking on the phone and I really enjoyed the friendship and the laughter. He started saying all the right things. He started saying very flattering comments and expressing affection and love to me. And I fell for it. I started to love who he was portraying himself to be.
She was bored and looking for someone to talk to. She thought I was funny and enjoyed how much I made her laugh. That’s why she began talking to me. She also trusted me and felt safe with me. Again she admits that we fell in love. She completely changes that to it was just a friendship and she cared about me later on.
Tamron Hall: Looking back at how this all started you pointed out, you know the laughter, the compliments was that something missing in your relationship with Kody?
Meri: I think that was something when I first started talking to this person, I was open to the friendship and the laughter.
Notice how she avoids saying yes or no to the question. They both admit later on things were really bad and they weren’t even talking to each other.
Tamron Hall: What can you tell me about the voicemails and the letters between you and this person? Are you able to tell me anything about them?
Meri: You know through the course of our phone conversations he would tell me things like I want you to call me and leave me messages and tell me how you feel or tell me all these certain things and he was specific about things that he wanted me to say.
Wrong. This is another lie. She is the one that was always asking me to leave her sweet messages. She wanted me to leave a voicemail every time I called if she didn’t answer. So I did. She left me voicemails to tell me to call back. If she expressed anything at all, that was out of the blue. Not something I asked her to do.
If I had forced her to leave voicemails it wouldn’t have sounded affectionate or loving. It would have been mater of fact. Because if someone makes you say something we all know what that sounds like. You say the minimum thing and you don’t express any type of emotion. This is insulting.
Tamron Hall: He wanted you to say on the voicemail that you were in love?
Meri: He wanted me to express how much I loved him and how much I cared for him.
She expressed both because that’s how she felt about me. Listen to the voicemails for yourself. You will hear in her own words how much she loved me. That kind of emotion can not be faked.
Tamron Hall: How long did this go on?
Meri: I talked to him for 6, I talked to him for quite a while but it was early on that I started seeing cracks in his story and things were not making sense. And he started pushing more and more for a more serious relationship at the same time as subtle threats of a friend of his and what she could do and as far as being a self-proclaimed hacker. Being very technologically suave.
She caught herself saying 6 months because we had talked to each other for a lot longer than this. But not as intimately as we had. We met years prior to this twitter interaction. She said she remembered talking to me back then. And why isn’t she correcting Tamron Hall on referencing me as a him if Meri is trying to claim I’m female? She would adamantly be saying it’s a female. Not let that pass by if she was telling the truth. She is lying and she doesn’t correct the pronoun usage.
Tamron Hall: What were the threats Meri?
Meri: He would say things about his friend that you don’t ever want to cross her. I eventually met her in real life. I never did meet him. But I met her. And she would do things like placing her phone on my phone and say that she could get all of the information from my phone. And I made the decision to distance myself from my friends and even my family. Because I felt like I had to protect them until I could get to a place that I could safely get out of the situation.
Lies. I never threatened her at all. She did meet Lindsay. She did meet me. She met me before she met Lindsay. Placing her phone on Meri’s phone does nothing at all. There is no hacking anything that can get information from simply placing it on top of one another Lol There’s not an app for that! Again, making this up.
Tamron Hall: So you were not telling any of the family, in a sense all alone, and you were receiving threats from these people.
She won’t say yes to this openly because she knows she is telling a lie.
Tamron Hall: And you believed they would destroy your family?
Meri: I was scared of what they could do because they were showing it.
She was scared of the truth being found out about the affair. That was the only thing she was ever worried about.
Tamron Hall: So you felt these were not idle threats? These people could act on them?
Meri: I felt very threatened by them and then there was times that I would be at a store and he would call me and start talking to me and just say are you at such and such store? And I’m like Yeah, how do you know that?
She was shopping one time at a store, she only shops at a few stores and Lindsay popped off and said oh is she over at such and such store again? That was it. We all laughed about it. No one was following her or stalking her. The day this happened Lindsay was with Stacey all day, that has been verified because they were down on the strip gambling all day. Not stalking Meri, not following her at all. It was a joke. Meri is twisting that into what it’s not. Meri shops at Maurice’s, Kohl’s, Hobby Lobby, Walmart, Target, and the Red Rock mall. It’s pretty easy to figure out where she’s at.
Tamron Hall: You are very emotional I think you wear your feelings on your sleeve to live with that fear how did you mange to conceal it?
Meri: I felt like I had to. So I just kept pushing them away because I didn’t know what else to do because I was scared of what these other people could do.
People? I thought she was claiming it was one person, a woman. Why is she now multiplying and morphing me into these people?
Tamron Hall: Did anyone else know that this, did you have an inkling that something like this was going on?
Janelle: She was so distant. She would show up at family gatherings and she would sit in the background and then she would disappear as soon as the main event was over. I mean she was just so distant.
She did not want to be there anymore. She would text me or call me before she went to whatever was going on. She would be texting me the whole time she was there. And when she walked to her house she would call or text me. She wanted to talk to me. Not go hang out with her family.
Tamron Hall: So when did you find out Kody?
Kody: Not until 3 weeks ago. But I, there was this situation that was going on and these people where. So I was seeing some of it. Had people reaching out to me, this is a little weird. And I’m like Meri look these people are creepy can you get, can you cut them off? And she would just give me blank stares.
And here is where everyone is pissed at her. She was talking to me for 6 months and no one knew it was an affair. They knew she was talking to me. They all knew my name. She kept denying to Robyn it was more than a friendship. She kept telling Kody we were just friends. When Kody told her to stop talking to me 3 times, each times she told him no.
Tamron Hall: So you thought these were just friends she had made online that were creepy? It was kind of bugging you.
Kody: Yeah the thing is the whole time that I’m saying that to her she was concerned that her house was bugged. And frankly there were some mistakes that I made very specifically in our relationship and it was almost like a perfect storm. So she’s in a lonely and vulnerable spot. And the couple of times I went to talk to her, one times she’s just in tears, when I’m saying Hey Meri you need to stop this with these people.
Lindsay nor I bugged Meri’s house the times we were in it Lol That’s ridiculous. This is what I’m saying. It makes no sense her story. She was in tears because she knew she was leaving and she was scared of what they would think of her. She was scared of how she was going to actually leave. It was scary to her but she wanted to go. We had a plan for her to leave.
Tamron Hall: When you said stop this with these people, what did you think was going happening?
Kody: I thought it was just phone conversations and email and texting.
It was also in person for dinners, vacations together, dates and sex. But okay Lol
Meri: It was just phone conversations.
No it wasn’t. It was also phonesex, real sex, kissing, hugging, holding, holding hands, kissing on my neck a lot, holding her from behind and just talking, snuggling in my bed, in hotel beds, in her own bed in her house. It was a lot more than just phone conversations. She is 100% lying about that.
Kody: Yeah that’s all I was, I actually at the time, some of it was just what was online I was like hey you got to stop this.
Tamron Hall: Help me again, I’m trying to…
Kody: I was reading a flirt.
Yes we were flirting on Twitter. Openly and very publicly. Meri wanted that. She kept telling me how much she loved the love quotes, the songs, and all our coded messages. Again check the text messages for the word code. She mentioned how we needed to begin talking in code more so no one would find out. She loved all of the attention she was getting from her fans about me. She said it made her feel special that people were happy for her being with me. She said a lot of her fans were thrilled to see her flirting and talking to me. She said we had a lot of support as a couple.
Tamron Hall: Okay.
Tamron Hall: Let me take a step back here. Obviously, this is your wife, you see a flirtation. Let me hear your response as her husband when you discover this.
Kody: Yeah, right. Well, okay. So I’m well aware that Meri and I haven’t been taking care of our relationship at this time so if we move back a little bit I just remember one night after one of our episodes airs Meri is looking at what’s going on social media and she goes Don’t these people understand that I am married? And I’m like hey listen you know for the sake of our family will you just stop talking with these people? And one time she was kind of like staring at me like deer in the headlights, like now I remember it and I go oh I should have read that better. That read was I’m in a very bad situation and I can’t say nothing. And the other time that I talked to her about it, it was just flowing tears. But I wasn’t sure if she was done with me? And I was in a spot myself where I was just kind of patiently waiting for her to say do you want to rekindle our relationship do you want to go back and do some more counselling do you want to work on this or something like that. I was trying to be hands off so I wasn’t being controlling but I realized something was up but I didn’t even know what. And so I’m kind of in a fog while these people are terrorizing her.
No one was terrorizing her. If we had made even 1 threat, there would be evidence of this. Not just Meri telling a story. It’s 2016, there would be a text with a threat, there would be a voicemail with a threat. Something. All she has is loving messages, love letters, and all kinds of gifts. She was done with him. She wanted out. She was not in love with him anymore and she wanted to start a new life with me. She was tired of feeling like she was worthless. Because she told me that’s what he makes her feel like.
Tamron Hall: Obviously people will make assumptions and only you know the truth. Tell me what was it that you were missing that this person was able to infiltrate your heart?
Meri does know the truth but she refuses to say it. She wants to save her own ass. She was missing love. She had never had anyone love her just for who she is. She was judged, ridiculed and picked on her entire marriage. I never treated her like that. I was kind and loving always. She fell in love with how much I respected her and treated her like my Queen.
Meri: I don’t know what I was missing necessarily so much as when we started talking online, I laughed. And the laughter felt good to me in my, I guess vulnerable state.
We laughed all of the time. This vulnerable state business is a cover up for her wanting to talk to someone, anyone.
Tamron Hall: To set the record straight Meri, was there any physical relationship with this person?
Meri: Big giant pause, no. I never met this person. I’ve never met this person, I’ve never seen him, I’ve never seen. You know the pictures that he sent to me were of an actor. And said that they were him.
She pauses before saying no. Because she knows she’s about to tell a lie. We did meet. And her claim that Lindsay is the catfish. She did meet Lindsay. So again even if she doesn’t want to own up to meeting me, she claims Lindsay is the catfish, they met. There are photos of them together just like there are photos of her and I together.
The pictures I sent where photos of me. Not an actor. She is also making that part up Lol Again, if that were true why wouldn’t this be a huge part of her story? This would be evidence for her. So where is it? Why has she never once said here is the fake photos Sam passed off as himself! She knows it’s a lie.
Tamron Hall: You did meet the friend?
Meri: I met the female friend. And she’s the one who I would talk to, there would be times that I would be talking to him on the phone and he would have a temper tantrum of sorts and hang up the phone. And then I’d get calls from her saying you better fix this, you better call, you better call and tell him how much you love him. You better fix this situation and so I’d have to. I felt in a place that I had to just do whatever it was that they said.
And she claims my female friend, Lindsay, is the real catfish. That’s Meri’s story. So again she just confirms she has lied saying she never met the person that she claims has catfished her. If anyone knows Lindsay they know for a fact Lindsay never calls anybody. You can not get her on the phone for more than 5 minutes unless she is interested or working on a plan for something. She has no desire to talk on the phone or even text. Her texts consist of no, f u, ok, yea, and k Lol That’s all she says via text. Lindsay never called Meri to tell her to fix anything. Meri would call Lindsay and say he broke up with me again. What do I do? And then Meri would show up over at Lindsay’s hotel and they would go talk. Or they would go out to eat.
Tamron Hall: How did you find the courage to tell these 4 people the truth?
Meri: It took a lot.
Now this part I do believe. It had to be really hard to explain the affair. And she is still scared of Kody because she refuses to tell the guy the truth.
Robyn: I made her.
Robyn did force her to tell everyone. Meri was really upset when I broke up with her. She waited 2 weeks before she told Robyn she fell in love with me. I know this because Kendra called Lindsay and said Robyn had called her bawling her eyes out. That Meri had confessed to her she fell in love with me and that I broke up with her. Meri told Robyn we were having an affair. So Robyn knew at this point. I don’t know when the story Robyn told gets twisted from the truth of what she told Kendra, but they changed it into Meri told her she was catfished. And that was the beginning of the lie.
Tamron Hall: How did you make her? How did you know?
Robyn: I’d been begging her for months to talk to me. I knew something wasn’t right. I was begging her and begging her to talk to me.
Tamron Hall: What made you decide to finally talk to them and tell them the truth?
Meri: I just knew I had to I knew I couldn’t keep doing that. They would ruin my life. That was said to me many times. I believe that was the goal was in this was to break up this family.
Again with the they, plural. If she is claiming she was catfished by a woman, it would be one person.
Tamron Hall: How did you get out Meri?
Meri: I don’t feel like I am out yet. I mean I’ve told them.
Tamron Hall: But you felt enough to tell them
Meri: I’ve told them.
Tamron Hall: When did you tell them? How did you tell them?
Meri: We were in Colorado seeing Hunter at the Air Force academy and I just went into Robyn’s hotel room one night and we just started talking and I just knew I needed to tell her. There was so many times that she even came over, there was one time I called her over and this was months ago. I called her over to my house and she just laid there on my bed with me while I cried because I couldn’t say anything. I just felt so unsafe. I was just so scared.
This is exactly what I said the day after Robyn called Kendra and told her. I said they were in Colorado, I said Meri was in Robyn’s room and Meri told Robyn about me. This is all on my blog. The times she would cry in her house and Robyn would hold her was about Meri wanting attention and support. She knew she was leaving soon and she was really going to miss Robyn a lot. So she would talk to her about how bad things were with Kody and Robyn will not admit that part. She is covering for Meri.
Tamron Hall: What was that like telling Kody?
Meri: Horrible. I feel like I’ve, I go between this conflicting place in my head where I feel so much guilt for bringing this into the family. And being at such a place that I invited it in. I feel a lot of guilt for that.
I imagine his head exploded Lol This would also be the reason why Kody has spent a lot of time on my blog reading and listening to the voicemails. The dumbass did not even use a Proxy to come visit. He clicks on all of my blog entries that I put on Twitter and comes over to read. Lindsay had his IP address and has verified it’s his cellphone number that is hitting my blog. We have verified it is him. We also verified that Robyn and Meri have also been on my blog since we broke up reading things and listening to voicemails. The tracker Lindsay installed on my blog captured every page all 3 of them clicked on and she can pull it up on what they did read and listen to. Kody has listened to ALL of the voicemails. Even the newer ones. And he has clicked on that Rated R button over 20 times trying to access it. He wants to know what’s in there. I put a password on it.
Tamron Hall: When she says that Kody what’s going through your mind?
Kody: This is somebody who I started to see was trying to exploit her in a way to literally harm our family and find some way to damage our children. And so nothing but forgiveness in this case. It was, I see it, others may see it a different way but I see it as a flirt. So what.
What he really means here is this threatens their show and they won’t be able to pay for their kids if they lose the money they get from the show. Their kids were never in any danger, all they will deal with is the public questions about the tabloid stuff or things they have read on my blog and online. Several of the Brown kids access my blog. We have also verified that from the IP addresses on their homes. The kids use their cellphones to read my blog.
Tamron Hall: So this is not emotional infidelity?
Kody: I don’t even know what that is. What I see is somebody she had made friends with, somebody that she felt safe with but that she was just having a communication.
Kody knows what emotional infidelity is and he does believe Meri is guilty of that. That’s why their marriage is still shit. He doesn’t want to believe I slept with her but he knows that she was cheating on him in some capacity.
It was more than a communication. We had an affair. We met in person several times, we went on vacations together, to dinners, lunches, out shopping. We hung out at my house a lot. And when they were all out-of-town we hung out at her house
Tamron Hall: She felt she was in love. Or she thought she was in love.
Meri: I felt a love for a person who was not even real.
Meri again slips up because later on she changes the story and says she cared for me. She admits here she fell in love with me. Then quickly diminishes her feelings by lying and saying I am not real. She knows I’m real.
Tamron Hall: I understand.
Kody: I need a second, I don’t get that because I need to see somebody to love them do you know what I mean. It sounds like…
Kody is trying to rationalize it on how he lives his life. He’s not taking into account this was Meri’s actions. This is how Meri does things not how he perceives it. She is fundamentally different from him.
Tamron Hall: But it may speak to what she talked about, just that yearning and all of these things that were happening.
Meri: Well he, he made me. He said all the right things to make me feel like I could trust him.
I made her love me. That’s true. Because I treated her very well. I treated her like my Queen. I fell deeply in love with her. She has been very hard to get over. We had such a special connection and a great love. She called me her soulmate.
Tamron Hall: Janelle how are you processing all of this?
Janelle: My first reaction was to put on armour and go to war. I wasn’t going to let these creeps or these freaky people or whoever the heck they are. I was ready to go to war. I was ready to go to war. I visualized us all like honestly suiting up in armour, I don’t know how else to say it just circling around her and just. That’s what I felt. We were going to go to war to protect her.
Christine: Our job is to keep everybody safe.
Kody: Yeah. Solidarity. This is, we support Meri. We find out what we can do to protect her, to protect us. To keep our family together. To keep the relationship to go to those places that we neglected.
I’m glad they are supporting her. But what war does Janelle feel like she needs to go to? No one has ever been hurt. Just embarrassed by all of this. Meri will never admit it hurt her when I broke up with her. She will only say she’s humiliated. Yet she cries thinking about the good times we had.
Tamron Hall: Meri have you told them everything?
Tamron Hall: Everything? So all of the cards are on the table. They, the Brown adults know it all.
Meri: Nods yes
No she hasn’t.
Tamron Hall: What about your children?
Meri: A couple of hours ago I was in and pulled the kids together, Logan, Aspyn, Mariah, Madison, Mykelti and I just said I wanted to let you guys know no matter what you’ve heard, no matter what’s out there I was never going to leave you guys. I love my family I’m not ever going to leave.
Meri never wanted to leave the family. She just wanted to leave Kody. She told Mariah about this 2 weeks after she told the adults. So Mariah knew and that’s why Mariah has been pissed at her. Because when she told Mariah, Mariah went right to my blog and started reading it. Then she contacted me and had a bunch of questions.
Tamron Hall: Just for clarification in those exchanges there was talk of you leaving.
Meri: Social media buzz was that I was leaving. Because what they were seeing was me making comments about flying free, finding myself, you know doing my own thing, that kind of stuff. And this was stuff that was guided and this was also stuff that was meant in my mind against this person I want to fly free from this person.
Tamron Hall: Did you ever
Meri: And people took that as I was wanting to fly free from the family.
Tamron Hall: For clarification did you tell that man who you wanted to leave and be with him?
Meri: Yeah. This person pushed that on me.
I didn’t push it at all. And now we’re back to this person. Not sticking to her claim the catfish is female.
Tamron Hall: You didn’t mean it?
Meri: He, no. There was not a person to leave with. And I always knew that I was never going to leave with him.
She did know, she planned her exit with me, I put $50,000 in a Chase bank account, the same bank she banks at for her to leave and pay up any existing bills. She was leaving and moving out after they got back from Alaska. That was our plan.
Tamron Hall: Why did you say it?
Meri: He was always pushing it on me. You don’t want to be in that family. I want you with me. He was always pushing it on me.
She wanted out. She wanted to be with me and I wanted her with me too. We were in love. I never pushed her to leave her husband or family. I told her if she wanted to go, let’s go. And she wanted out.
Tamron Hall: You will obviously have people who watch this show and who have watched it for many seasons, who believe that you were the person ultimately who did say you wanted or could leave the Brown family. That that’s what you meant. Even if the other person on the other end of that phone was fake.
Yes she did say that.
Meri: It doesn’t matter what I say or what we say, people are always going to believe what they want to believe. But the one thing that I can say is I feel like that this person or these people or whoever it is started focusing on us for whatever reason I don’t know why and targeted us and wanted to tear our family apart. And that’s not happening on my watch.
She was not targeted. She was the one that contacted me first. She continued to contact me because of how funny I am. And we started an affair. On her watch Lol