Season 7 Episode 10 Recap – Tell Lies Part 1

First thing I notice is Meri is still not wearing her wedding ring. Why is that? She chose to stay. Interesting. And what the hell is she wearing? Is that a triple layer thing? Weird.

They continue to talk about the struggles in polygamy yet won’t address the main reasons men lure women into it. Yes most women go in voluntarily these days. But the men use backwards faith-filled ideology that’s out of date and nonsensical. And what really does a woman get in this type of relationship? A lot of people say the man gets a higher place in Heaven with God. He is awarded the more wives and children he has.

This is the AUB wiki. This is where I’m getting my info on this stuff.

The entire purpose of polygamy according to the AUB wiki is this statement.

While not all members take part in plural marriage, it is considered a crucial step in the quest for obtaining the highest glory of heaven.

This is what these people believe. Going further you click on the 3 doctrines and practices they subscribe to.

The first is called the United Order. This one is mostly about sharing everything you have and own. As well as sharing with other community members.

In this doctrine the only notable thing I see is this statement:

The United Order established egalitarian communities designed to achieve income equality.

The wives each earn a paycheck from this show. Kody earns his paycheck from the show. And each of the children earn a smaller fee for being on the show. It has been widely speculated on what that amount is per episode. That’s how TLC pays their people. They also are given bonuses based on the ratings and audience size. Each episode they earn $75,000. The bonuses can be as much as $500,000 depending on the advertisers they can gather up to support and pay their talent. Remember there are writers for this show. The producers/director come up with the premise and say here, this is what we want you to do, where to go, and what to talk about. It is up to the actors/talent to say whatever they want. That’s where they earn their pay. It doesn’t matter this is supposed to be reality tv and none of it is authentic or real. It’s all planned out. The one good thing about this show is if they did not get their shot or they missed a moment they refuse to reshoot. They want it all to be organic. Most reality tv people will do a reshoot. And it’s all up to the editors. 2 of which are very good friends now with Lindsay Lol That’s where she has gotten all of her info. And with Andrea, a mutual friend of Meri and I. Andrea has been on my side for over a year now. We have met in person and we have been trading info for months. I did stop getting updates and everything shifted between Andrea and Lindz. I no longer cared. I also felt it would be very disrespectful to my wife.

Each wife is paid around $5,000 – Meri all the way up to $7,500 – Janelle per month by Kody. Kody makes all of the money decisions with Janelle’s help. The woman are forced to live within these means. No matter what. Anything that is too expensive or out of budget they have a weekly meeting to talk it out and Kody hands out checks at those meetings. He does not allow each wife to collect her entire check. Because that’s not For The Good of the Family. Yet he is allowed full control over the money. And he spends it on guns, ammo, and whatever the hell he wants. Sounds fair? Right? Isn’t polygamy great? It gets better. Keep reading.

The second doctrine is the Adam-God rule. The AUB says this about it:

Apostolic United Brethren

The Apostolic United Brethren (AUB), a fundamentalist Mormon group, accepts the Adam–God teaching, and their leader Joseph W. Musser wrote a book on it in the 1930s. In the book, Musser contended that the rejection of the doctrine by the LDS Church can be linked to its rejection of plural marriage, which occurred around the same time:

    And let us here remind the reader that as long as belief in the Patriarchal order of marriage and other advanced principles of the Gospel was maintained, the minds of the Saints were open and receptive. … But with the surrender of the glorious principle of Celestial Marriage—a union for time and eternity—came darkness, mental drowsiness, a detour from the Gospel path, until all sorts of speculation pertaining to the plan of Salvation was indulged in.[71]

It also states:
 According to Young, he was taught by Joseph Smith[1] that Adam is “our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do”.[2]

According to the doctrine, Adam was once a mortal man who became resurrected and exalted. From another planet, he then came as Michael to form Earth.[3] Adam brought Eve, one of his wives, with him to Earth, where they became mortal by eating the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. After bearing mortal children and establishing the human race, Adam and Eve returned to their heavenly thrones where Adam serves as God and is the Heavenly Father of humankind. Later, Adam returned to the Earth to the ancient prophets, and to become the literal father of Jesus.

So Adam is Father and God.

Really? No. Not at all.

And in the final doctrine the 1886 Revelation. This is the exact text that I discussed with Meri over and over again. The one that caused us to have differences in beliefs and I asked her why does she believe in polygamy if this is what it means. She didn’t know how to answer me and got very upset with me. She called her Brother in law and asked him about it and he told her to go read her texts and see it’s the sole reason all polygamy works. To me it’s disgusting.

Read it here:

 41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.

 42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has committed adultery.


 54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

 55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundred-fold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds.

So when Meri and I had the affair she knew it was wrong. She asked me if I thought it was wrong and I said yes. But I also said once we are married I will ask God for forgiveness and spent the rest of my life paying for that sin. I would do all I could.

The AUB uses this to show that a man can have as many wives as he wants. Because he is promised a higher glory in Heaven. The husband has to CALL upone each wife and invite her up. I guess to his big pimped out cloud mansion Lol I don’t know. But the fights came when I said so you will be destroyed if he takes on a wife that you don’t want or support? He will destroy you how? She said he would unseal himself from her and put her out. That’s what she said. I said so do you get alimony? Child support? She said you get nothing. And that’s exactly what she got when she got the legal divorce. She stayed sealed to him spiritually. And she lost all money, property and position. As you can tell, Robyn is now the wife that Kody defers to for everything. Robyn has taken over and as much as they say all wives are equal. Kody listens to Robyn. He sides with Robyn. They are the main unit and they are running the show now. Meri has been demoted and as I can tell after watching this season, she’s on her own.

The AUB is not that big.

Apostolic United Brethren
Main article: Apostolic United Brethren

The Apostolic United Brethren (AUB) is estimated to have about 5000 to 9000 members throughout Utah, Montana, Arizona, Wyoming, Missouri, and Mexico. Several of its towns are organized into United Orders; the church has established a temple in Mexico, an Endowment House in Utah, and operates several schools.

The AUB emerged when their leader, Joseph W. Musser, ordained Rulon C. Allred as an apostle and counselor, which led to a split between Mormon fundamentalists in Salt Lake City and those in Short Creek, Arizona. The AUB is currently headed by Lynn A. Thompson and a priesthood council.

The AUB is one of the more liberal of the Mormon groups practicing plural marriage. The leaders of the AUB do not arrange marriages nor do they authorize plural marriages for people under 18 or for those who are closely related.

Looks to me like Mykelti made her own choices. She found someone who didn’t kick her out of the house and refuse to help her grow as a young lady and adult. Good for her. She was thrown out and she spread her wings and flew. I’m happy she found a great guy.

Here we go. I appreciate the people finally saying that I am real and maintain we had an affair. Finally they show that side of this.

Meri went to go see Cheryl, my stalker. I have proven she has been stalking my since 2011, without me ever knowing it. Twitter and the police got her to leave me alone. Thanks to both of them for the help. She has lied to Meri and got her to believe her insane stories, yet offers NO PROOF of ever knowing me! She had her 15 minutes of fame and she only used it to make shit up. That’s how stupid this woman is. But Meri is using her to make her own lies believable. The good thing is a lot of people reached out to me about Cheryl and said she has a long, long history of stalking men online. Her own family told me she is mental and dangerous. I’m happy to know that she was watching and screenshotting everything I said or did online for the past 6 years. Now I have changed the things I post and I am very protective of myself and my family. That’s the only good thing that I learned about this Cheryl stalker. You can read about Cheryl on my blog.

Yes Lindz and I have been friends for 21 years now. She got that right. Meri and I met several times. For months. Weekly. She is lying. She met with Lindsay, several times. For a few months. In July Lindsay stopped talking to Meri. Because Meri was driving her nuts.

Look at how red Meri’s face and neck are. She’s making shit up. Keep in mind that Lindsay nor I have ever threatened Meri. Not ever. If we had, where are the police reports? And keep in mind the Disney trip with just Meri and Lindz happened in April of 2015. Meri and I broke up at the end of August 2015. So you tell me why did she carry on and leave me all those voicemails and send me all of those photos, as well as continue to sleep with me if we were threatening her? She is so full of shit. Thank God a lot of people finally see that for themselves. I have been so humbled by all of my support. And I’ve made great friends from all of this.

Yes I wanted her to leave Kody and the family for me. We were in love. She told me over and over again that’s what she wanted. Did I push her? No. Did she leave? No. I made the right choice in ending it. And she has stayed there.

Keep in mind the first tell all this came out, Meri did say I was never going to leave. Now she has lied and been caught. She finally admits that she was going to leave. So what else has she been lying about all of this time? Think about it? Her face is all in red. She can’t stop it from happening.

Until Meri takes full responsiblity and tells the truth about the affair they will have no interest in fixing anything with her. Mariah and Kody know there is a lot more to the story. And because Meri has never came out with the full truth or even anyway to show proof of what she says about me, they punish her by pushing her away. That’s her fault. All she has to do is talk it all out and tell the damn truth. So I don’t feel bad for her at all. She can fix it and change it. She wants to continue to lie to both of them. And they won’t move forward in any way with her until she does that.

Kody admits that for 10 years or more their marriage was shit. And that’s why she found me. She wanted to feel loved again. And I loved her very much. I wanted to marry her.

See. She chooses to stay. That’s on her. She hopes things with Kody will love her again. She wants Kody to say I want you here honey. Please don’t leave. And he never will.

Interesting to see how bad their marriage is now. I would have thought they would have fixed it by now. That shows how horrible he is to her.

Season 7 Episode 3 Recap

We check in 6 weeks later from the last therapy session for Meri and Janelle. Remember, good therapy is every 6 weeks Lol Come on. Meri might as well be in therapy with a jar of pickles. Could these 2 hate each other any more? Their issues all stem from the beginning of Janelle moving into the trailer Kody and Meri started out in. Meri gave up the master bedroom to welcome Janelle to the cult and Janelle didn’t like losing control over the money. At the time Kody and Meri spent like they actually had cash.

What turned out to be a $230,000 bankruptcy a few years later.

Read about all of the bankruptcy’s here:

2005 Kodi Brown and Meri Brown (his legal wife) jointly file for bankruptcy
Kody’s monthly income: $3,948 (plus a little
Meri’s monthly income: $865.50
Monthly expenses: $6,101
Total assets: $104,892.91 (Includes $90,000 invested in their Utah home, 3 vehicles, clothes, furniture, etc.)
Total liabilities: $229,892.91 That breaks down into:
Secured claims (1st and 2nd mortgages totaling just under $137,000 and 2 car loans totaling over $7,000)
Unsecured claims: $85,612.73 (This looks to be mostly credit card and retail debt)
Some examples of the unsecured claims:

$2,756.70 – Sears
$3,298.73 – Discover
$1,539.88 – Lowe’s
$1,566.68 – Lowe’s (separate)
$1,328.03 – Best Buy
$4,338.98 – Home Depot
$3,863.24 – Home Depot Credit Service
$6,992.71 – CitiFinancial (for “consumer purchases)
$6,824.37 – CitiFinancial (for “consumer purchases)



I guess Janelle should have taken over sooner. Meri’s issues with Janelle came when she was pregnant with Mariah and they got into a huge fight. Janelle grabbed Meri by the shoulders and jammed her knee into Meri’s baby belly. That’s when the big split happened. And also when any possible relationship/friendship between the 2 ended completely. And obviously forever. I was the one that pushed Meri to forgive Janelle and try to work things out. That episode aired and the follow-up to that one when Meri hugged it out with Janelle. It took me a month to get her to do that much. I told her she had to let things go. As we all have seen now, she doesn’t let anything go. And she holds a grudge until the end of times.

Janelle is the one that wants to pass the peace pipe. Meri has no intention of working through any of this. She is going along. She wants camera time and sits there without any viable input or suggestion of how to fix it. You can tell she feels this is beneath her and its a waste of her valuable centerpiece making time. Oh wait. I mean painting time. I forgot she has thrust herself into copying the art of an at home art teacher. Please hold your applause and keep reading.

The best part of this episode was watching Janelle squish herself onto that love seat. They were thigh to thigh. Meri acted like every flea Janelle has ever had jumped right over and sunk into her socks Lol Wasn’t that the most uncomfortable thing you have seen all day? I laughed my ass off.

The reality is I had already given Brene Brown’s book to Meri as a gift. I told her how much it changed my perspective on my life. I gave it to her and I know she had been reading it. How funny it’s the exact book the therapist offered.

I’m a huge Brene Brown fan. Here are some great Youtube links to watch her in person. Great, great, life lessons.

So that’s about all for this episode. They will never work things out. Not until they both learn to lose control a little, calm down, let go of the grudges and most of all take responsibilities for all the rotten, terrible things they have each said and done to each other.

Season 7 Tell All

Season 7 Tell All
Erica Hill: As we learned last season Meri had been catfished. She connected with someone online who wasn’t actually who they claimed to be. This season we found out that the fallout and the saga was far from over.
That is not true. Meri was not catfished. It has never been proven it is a lie that was made up by the trolls, Meri’s new friends. There is zero proof that she was catfished. I did not catfish her. She is lying to save her own ass.

Erica Hill: Before all of this happened, had any of you heard of this term catfishing before, did anyone know what it was?
Christine: I knew what it was.
Meri: I had never heard the term before.
Erica Hill: What did you know about it Christine?
Christine: Aspyn actually informed me on it. There was a show that she would watch on tv that was situations like this where 2 people would meet online and one person would assume the other person was exactly who they said they were and it would come out that they rarely were that person. And when finally they did meet face to face, it was awful. It was awful.
Erica Hill: Meri you said that you felt  like that it came from people following you from online that that’s how it started, why do you think you were so vulnerable in that moment?
Meri: I think it was just a lot of stuff that just created a perfect storm.
Erica Hill: Did you all realize where she was at?
Christine: I didn’t know she was that low. I knew that, I thought that with Mariah moving away she would be looking for something new and something more to fill up her time and what she would do. And so she was a little bit vacant but that was because she was figuring out what she was going to do. I didn’t know there was a real problem.
Erica Hill: Kody, did you have any concept of how low she was feeling at that point or where she was at?
Kody: I had no ideas for month that catfishing or whatever was going on. It seemed to me that when Meri offered up the legal divorce so that I could legally marry Robyn so that we could adopt the kids that entire process seemed to open up some sort of emotional gap. It opened something up.

He said catfishing or whatever. Again he is not sure what to think. And now that he has read my blog he is questioning Meri’s story. A lot. That’s why they are struggling so badly.

Erica Hill: Were you concerned that that was too much at that point?
Kody: I didn’t understand it because all the wives you know just we have an equal relationship so a legal marriage does not mean or indicate anything other than you know something legal we used it just so we could adopt kids and so on and so forth. And so whatever effect that had on Meri…
There is no equal relationship. Robyn is the favorite. Meri told me that’s how they all feel. The legal marriage with Robyn has caused a lot of hurt feelings and jealousy. And Robyn has been drunk on power since they day it became legal. She has taken over the position in the family that Meri used to hold. Meri is really having a hard time fitting in because she’s so used to being the one everyone came to.

Robyn: I think it was the public. I think it was the public’s reaction to it…
Kody: We would get haters that would say oh so you would see them on social media Oh good job Meri run get out of that mess, you know. Janelle why don’t you hurry up and follow her. You know people would make assumptions about our family they didn’t even understand. So that’s alright we got haters um (Flips the camera off and its blurred out) Sorry you can use it, print it, um yeah.
He actually flipped the camera off? What a douchebag. That is your audience. I’m glad the show got cancelled. Look at how disrespectful he is to everyone. I have haters too. You don’t see me flipping anyone off or talking mad amounts of shit to them. I ignore them or block them. That’s what everyone on Earth tells you to do. Ignore the haters and be the better person.

Erica Hill: Kody that’s really strong for you.
Kody: No no, it is. They came in and they messed with our marriage. They really, they came in and they messed with our marriage. And I think this catfish, I don’t know, was a hater that came in with motivation to somehow get a wedge in where we were already weak and dangerously affect us.
No one messed with his marriage. He is pissed because he now knows that I slept with his wife for 6 months. Again the catfish and he says I don’t know. Because Meri’s story is falling apart and Kody knows it. I fell in love with her. She fell in love with me. She wanted out. And I wanted her out based on what she told me she wanted.
Erica Hill: You said you were already weak but in the same breath you’re saying these are the people that came in and sort of really damaged the relationship, so are you saying that the low point that Meri was at, that’s really a result of people out there commenting on things on social media? (Meri shakes her head NO) Is that ignoring the fact that there was a weak point in your relationship?
Kody: You know you, you, put yourself out there and you’re very vulnerable with what we do and being in the public eye we are naive. And we should have known but we didn’t.
He has addressed haters before and he said before during a tell all he no longer reads anything. So how does he know what the haters say if he no longer reads it? He got caught here in another lie. He’s uspet because of what the haters say and do. He reads it and this is how he reacts to it. By flipping off the audience.
Erica Hill: Meri is that what you think happened because what I’m hearing from all of you is this was not new. This being in a rough spot in your relationship being in a very difficult place this just didn’t just all of a sudden happen you said you were having a couple of rough years you said the relationship hadn’t been good for a while.
Meri: Yeah, no we were definitely at a weakened place I think even way back before I even had offered up to Kody and Robyn about doing the legal divorce.
Again proving what I have been saying for months. For years Meri was not happy.

Erica Hill: Are these 2 separate instances then? You being where you were and ultimately being taken by this catfishing scheme and then the public reaction to what was happening legally. Are those 2 separate things or are they connected?
Meri: I think it’s just a big snowball effect that made it so that I was vulnerable and got into the catfish situation.
Remember Meri is a direct person. Janelle said she is very black and white. Why is Meri not answering yes or no to these questions? She is offering up a summary but not a direct or a black and white answer. She is playing defense now defending her catfish lie and stories that go with her lie.

Erica Hill: What was it that you were hearing from this person that was so appealing to you?
Meri: At the very beginning this person was fun, funny, just good conversation. I don’t know first it kind of cool to just kind of have that companionship I guess.
She heard me be funny and have deep conversations about life. She heard me talk a lot about God and how much God has always taken care of me. She heard how I was falling in love with her and she heard how much I loved her. With all of my heart and soul I loved Meri.

Erica Hill: The word love was used at one point in some of these exchanges. What kind of love was that, that you were referring to?
Meri: That I felt for this person that I thought was a person? Um I, I cared about who I thought she was portraying him to be. Um, because I have a trusting heart and a loving heart and I felt I mean its like I talked to this person Okay, okay love you bye you know kind of conversation.
She reduced it from she was in love with me, to she cared about me? We all know that’s not the kind of love she was referring to. Listen to the voicemails. She was gushing with love for me just as I was for her. She was in love with me completely. This is a complete lie and this is the one thing that a lot of people have said to me. They realized if she could lie so blatantly with all of these voicemails she had to be lying about other things too. She pissed off a ton of her fans by saying that about me. It was not love you bye. Anyone that knows me, knows that is my line. And has been forever. To my friends and to my family that is how I hang up the phone. Love you, bye. Always. She’s stole my line Lol

Erica Hill: Did you ever feel like you were crossing a line? Especially a line you know based on the vows that you took in your marriage?
Meri: (Long pause) I didn’t know what was going on and what was going to happen and I actually even told this person. I said I’m not, I’m not crossing any lines. That, that, that is not me and I will not do that. Um, so the feelings that I had were confusing.
She is a direct person avoiding answering a direct question. No or yes is not here in her answer. We completely crossed all of the lines. We had sex within 6 days of talking publicly on Twitter. And we continued to have sex for 6 months.

Erica Hill: So you set that out there I’m not going to cross any lines but just by putting that out there was there that though process was there even a fear that maybe at a weak moment you would cross that line?
Meri: Nope. No not for me. I, I know what my boundaries are. And I won’t do that.
She did it Lol We had sex over 60 times. I have proven that in my Rated R section Lol

Erica Hill: Kody did it ever feel for you like a line was crossed?
Kody: Um, well I didn’t know what was going on I was lost in this. And Meri and I were struggling enough that it was very hard to communicate. And so where I was in the end was um in that scene where Meri says I gotta do something I’ve gotta, gotta, I need a break. I thought that she was saying I need a break from this marriage. And I believed that her struggle was that Meri wanted to leave me and be free of the burden of this relationship and our marriage, this is where I was at, at the time.
Again he doesn’t say yes or no. They are going with the catfish story until it dies. She did want to leave him because of how badly he treats her.

Meri: I know, I know.
Kody: But that she didn’t want to be out of the family. Um, that she wanted to be part of the family still so I was just confused and all I wanted to do was give her the space to figure it out and you guys all said all of her sister wives said whatever you need, we’ll do whatever you need. Help us help you.
Instead of sitting his wife down he avoided it? Wrong. He got into a huge fight with her over me. She cried to me and talked to me about it for 2 days. He told her to stop talking to me or else. And she refused.

Erica Hill: When you learned about this catfishing scheme and what went on do you believe she was being emotionally unfaithful to you?
Kody: (Long pause) No. I think that she, she was just in a place where she was having a friendship. This is how I viewed it, it just got, it got diabolical, it got downright evil. But Meri had never met this person. So when you talk about emotional or anything like that I think um, it’s not a word or a term that I would give any credit to. Because you know, all it is, is talking. That’s all that it is. So um, I don’t see it in that light. I don’t see that there was an emotional affair as you call it. I don’t see that at all.
Again it was not a friendship. Friends don’t do the things we were doing together. Friends don’t take 2 trips to Disney together or go spend a week in bed in Utah together Lol We were in love. He is trying to save the show by saying this.

Erica Hill: I’m Erica Hill, we’re back with the Browns. Meri at what point did you realize that you were in fact talking to a woman posing as a man?
Meri: (Big sigh) Um, it wasn’t like it was a specific day. It was kind of this gradual thing. There was still apart of me that wanted to trust who I thought he was at the beginning and the things that he said to me at the beginning. I still wanted to trust that. I didn’t want to believe that I was dumb enough to fall for this stupid thing.
It was 2 weeks after we broke up and I refused to talk to her. She was reading all the trolls were saying and she was reading twitter nonstop. She decided it was the only way to get out of admitting to an affair. She went along with what the rumors on the internet were already saying. And she lied.
Kody: They even started doing crazy things like developing additional avatars you know fake people. So there’s this entire conspiracy 10 20 30 fake people I had, I have no idea how many, I just don’t know but who are basically uh on social media just bantering back and forth.
What additional avatars? Notice they never name off names or use screen names to prove anything they say. The only fake people are the trolls. They don’t use real names, they all create multiple accounts. Read my blog we have screenshots of over 40 accounts Lindsay has removed from Twitter for multiple accounts. I have my account, Lindsay has her account. That’s it. And we both put our real names on there.

Robyn: I was getting messages um through social media that Meri was having an affair, that she was meeting this guy that, and just from like anonymous people and basically trying to tell me you know all of this. All these things about Meri, what she’s doing, that she’s leaving the family and all of this stuff. And every time I’d go to Meri I would say have you met this guy? And she would say no. I’m like, what’s going on Meri. And there were times, there were times she would just cry she wouldn’t really talk to me. And other times she’d say he’s just a friend and she wouldn’t really talk more. She would say I just want, how did you say it, you said I just want out of this. I just want out of this and I thought she was talking about us. And she was talking about that situation.
Kendra. Robyn was getting messages from Kendra Lol

Erica Hill: Did you ever want out of this family or this marriage?
Meri: (Long pause) There was a time in my dark, dark spot early on before I started figuring stuff out about this person. Um, that she was, she was saying things she was putting things into my head that really kind of made me question and I’m like, what is it do I really want and I didn’t know what I wanted because I felt like that I was, I was just in a dark place and I didn’t know what I wanted. But as I started thinking about it I was like, doesn’t matter how crappy Kody and I might be. I didn’t want to be away from the kids. I mean it really just went back to the kids. It went back to the baby that was coming you know I’m like I want to be there.
Again no direct response. No yes or no. She didn’t want to be away from the kids. She’s not saying I love my husband. I’m not going to leave him. She doesn’t say Kody loves me and we can work it out. She throws the kids in front of her and clings to that.

Erica Hill: Janelle you said it was a huge wake up call for you too. How so.
Janelle: You know I guess I just cause Meri fundamentally is a person who is definitely very black and white and you’re not going to cross this boundary. We are really very trusting people and to be taken advantage of in such an evil way was such a wake up call for me.
Meri: She honestly was watching all of us. I know that she had tried reaching out to Janelle quite a few times in different personas um and was very obsessed with Robyn. It’s, yeah. She’s scary.
Prove it. I am male. I was not watching anyone at all. There was no contact with Janelle or Robyn. Robyn added me to her Twitter. Twice. I kicked her off because Meri told me to get rid of her. She is lying and offering zero proof. She is creating these lies as she sits there because she has never said that before.

Erica Hill: It wasn’t just her sister wives that were hurt by the catfishing drama the ordeal has also opened old wounds between Meri and Kody.
Pretty powerful session for all of you. When you see it again. Do you feel any responsibility Kody for the vulnerable place that Meri had found herself in?
Kody: (Long pause) Um yeah. Absolutely you can’t um be in this situation that we were in and not feel like well geez if we would have just communicated, if I would have just said something nice, if I would have been a better husband, if we would have had better things going on. It just had gotten so to the point where reflectively I look back on this experience we had just criticising each other that is just sad to me. Heartbreaking. Sad. And um…
He admits to failing her. That’s why she kicked him out of the house.

Erica Hill: You said when you look back on it did it feel that way at the time?
Kody: Oh I think we were both so angry at each other we didn’t care.
Meri: I agree.
Kody: Yeah, we were both just pointing the finger and saying you did this to me.
Exactly. Very angry.

Erica Hill: Do you feel at this point there are any other unresolved issues between the two of you?
Kody: Oh yeah there are.
Meri: Oh yeah. There’s always unresolved issues
Kody: We dug this hole over many many years and we’re filling it back in.
Erica Hill: Are you committed to filling it back in?
Meri: Yep
That’s the most generic answer ever Lol Yep. She’s leaving.

Kody: I think we’re committed, yeah.
Erica Hill: Since the last Tell All the catfisher has released a lot more material. There have been some texts, there have been pictures, there have been statements, how did it make you guys feel and how does it make you feel that today it doesn’t seem to be ending. This experience keeps going on.
Meri: It’s really frustrating. I felt like I was kind of forced into doing insane things because of all the things she said to me about you better call him and leave him a message you better tell him how much you love him. You better tell him you know and all of this kind of stuff and I did. And because I was afraid of what, what she would do otherwise. You know, and so I played into it and I made it completely worse. And part of me is just completely humiliated that I did this to my family you know. If I could take it all back I totally would. Absolutely.

She went to the press. If she would stop going to the f—ing tabloids this would go away. Then her and her friends started selling stories to the tabloids to keep this going. I waited 6 weeks before I began posting proof on my blog. I did not have Lindsay tell Meri to call me and tell me how much she loves me. That’s another lie. Lindsay stayed out of it. She listened to both of us talk about things. But she stayed out of our relationship. She was not forced to say or do anything. Everything she did, she wanted to do. Read the text messages. Listen to the voicemails. That is not someone’s tone if they are being forced to say things. Those are not rehearsed or forced words at all. That’s a normal couple relationship talking about feelings and how much she loved me.

Erica Hill: How much of what she is putting out there is true?
Meri: As far as texts and voicemails and stuff?
Erica Hill: The stuff that’s being put out there yeah, how much of that is true?
Meri: Nothing.
And this was another lie that pissed off the fans. They know her voice it’s very distinct. Her voice is in all of those voicemails she left on my cellphone.

Erica Hill: So is there anything you want to set the record straight on?
Meri: The fact that I never met the person because there is not a man that exists um its a woman who did this all. She manipulated I fell, I fell prey to her manipulation. I did
I am a man. I do exist. And if her story is that Lindsay catfished her, again she’s lying because she did meet Lindsay and hang out with her. There was no catfishing and no manipulations at all.
Erica Hill: What about the voicemails? Is that your voice in a voicemail?
Meri: (Big sigh) So I personally have not listened to or seen everything that she puts out. I’m not going to allow her to get into my head that way. But from what I understand um somethings sound like spliced together like parts of conversations but I also know that I did leave voicemails. He would always tell me you know leave a message anytime you call me, leave a message or whatever and I wouldn’t. And then she would, she would, his female friend she would call me and she would like you need to call and leave a message and if I didn’t then he the male persona would start saying things on social media like kind of bashing Kody or saying I was going some place with him or make it sound like we were meeting up or something like that. And I felt like the only way I could make that stop is to leave a message.
Meri was all over my blog at first. She heard the first 10 voicemails I put out. Then all of a sudden Robyn was on my blog and Kody was on my blog. Than the kids. We have all of their IP addresses. It matches up to the IP addresses on my blog coming from Nevada and Utah.

Erica Hill: So you left a message but you haven’t listened to these voicemails that have been put out?
Meri: No.
Erica Hill: Kody have you?
Kody: No but what I did with Meri is I, is we as this all came to light  and it would gradually come to light more and it would gradually come to light more and Meri would say my life is being wrecked by this she’d give me some details and then it would get worse and she would give me details I finally said hey you know listen they can’t come into our house they can’t come into our lives. They can not harm us if we don’t let them in so stop the media stop, stop everything, stop this.
He shakes his head a little bit yes and then says No to this. He has been all over my blog. I can prove that. How would Meri give him details and then more details unless she was reading my blog? My blog is the only place anything has been released. They both just got caught lying again.
Erica Hill: So don’t listen to the voicemails don’t look at the texts then you don’t see any  of that and then you don’t have to see it?

Meri: I don’t want any
Kody: Don’t do anything like this. Listen this person doesn’t exist. They’re not a real person they don’t exist outside of our own minds so if we ignore them they go away.
I want Meri to apologize to me. Then all of this will go away. Until then I’m not going anywhere Lol
Erica Hill: With this other stuff being put out there is it concerning at all to you since you are not looking at it, since you haven’t listened to the voicemails so you don’t know for sure what’s on there, whether or not its you

Meri: The only thing
Erica Hill: Does it concern you that it could be something you want to hear because you want to set the record straight?
Human nature is curiosity. They all have at some point listened to voicemails and read parts of my blog. All of them.

Robyn: I think we kind of feel like we are setting the record straight right here right now. I mean Meri is saying look I didn’t have an affair, I didn’t meet him. I was being catfished um I was doing things because I was being threatened. So that is in a sense setting the record straight.
Kody: I’m literally at a point right now where I was going with Meri and the family just don’t talk about it don’t talk to him, don’t do anything. Because, here’s the thing we have our voice, we do, we have our voice. This person is still hiding behind an avatar. Some phony made up persona. Completely. This person has never manifested themselves to us.
I have never come out publicly to release an official statement with my photo, my ID, or anything like that no. I didn’t sign up to be apart of that show. I didn’t sign up to be a part of any of this. They put this in the tabloids then they are using it to exploit me, Lindsay, and Jackie for ratings. Only 1 episode this entire season had zero mention of this. The episode where Robyn gave birth. I didn’t sign up for any of this mess in my life. And here it is.

I have been on tv twice. I am in the Lifetime Movie we are working on that will come out next year. And I have Facetimed, Skyeped, and met several people now in person that have figured out who I am Lol I’m real.  I want to keep my life as private as I can. The trolls, Meri’s friends go after every single person that talks to me on twitter. Go to Twitter. In the search box put in @notbatmanyet, that’s my Twitter name. And hit ALL TWEETS. See how many of these sick women post things to people who add me on Twitter or try to talk to me. They immediately send 4 or 5 of them to attack that person. And if anyone stands up to them, they go look up their lives, post all of their family photos and info. They contact their family members and they expose anything going on in that person’s life. So no, I am in no rush at all to expose my personal or professional life to that bullshit. I’m happy being unknown. The people who matter know and I share photos of myself and my babies. The people who don’t matter get nothing from me or anyone I know. My friends and family were told and also followed up by a letter from my lawyers telling them you do not talk about me to the press or online when this came out. And they all respect me enough to abide by it. My family and friends protect me because they love me. They support me and do what I ask them to do. Because they understand my life is private. My kids have nothing to do with this. They are doing it for me as well as my family.

Meri: Or to anybody else.
Kody: Okay. So this person is fake, pretending. It’s like listen if you want to play that game we’ll just ignore you because you’ll go away. And that’s kind of where we’ve kind of stopped this game right here. Is where Meri and I are working on our relationship. And we’re done.
If you ignore me why have you been releasing tabloid comments for 9 months now? That’s coming from Meri’s side of this, not from mine. I’m glad they are done. I want an apology from Meri and then I will be done too. Until then, my blog stays filled with all of the proof and evidence.

Janelle: You only have so much time in this life why not spend it on positive
Kody: We have a very, very busy life. We have a lot going on. This person goes away the minute that we choose to just say they don’t exist and guess what, they don’t.
I do exist. I’m right here. You can’t control me Lol And that pisses Kody off.

Erica Hill: So this is where you all are at now. When all of this happened I know it was very surprising. Shocking in a lot of ways. Was there ever a moment within the family that some of the rest of you didn’t feel like you could trust Meri?
Robyn: I was getting information that she was having an affair I was getting information that she was leaving us. I got the information that she was going to try to leave before the baby was born.
Meri: Through somebody else (Kendra) who was being catfished by the same woman.
Kendra has verified me. Kendra has met me in person now. Lindsay and I have spent time with Kendra. Kendra told Robyn and Meri she met me and they got really silent. I have not catfished Meri or Kendra. This is another lie.

Robyn: Right, who was feeding me information. There was so many lies that when Meri told me, finally told me that she was being catfished as much as that’s horrible, okay. I was relieved.
Erica Hill: Meri you were worried at one point that there was a trust issue.
Meri: I have a hard time trusting myself. After all of this. So why shouldn’t they not trust me? All of these guys. I mean there is a lot of trust that I think needs to be rebuilt.
Erica Hill: Do you think you betrayed it?
Meri: Yeah. I think, I think I did. Yeah.
At least she finally takes some responsibility. Instead of blaming Kody, me, and whoever else.

Erica Hill: The sister wives and Kody weren’t the only ones reeling over the catfishing revelations this season we saw Meri took a trip to Utah to visit Mariah.
Erica Hill: Tough thing to watch probably huh Meri?
Meri: Yeah.
Erica Hill: Where are things right now for you and Mariah?
Meri: They’re not great.
Erica Hill: She’s home with you for the summer.
Meri: She’s home with me for the summer. Um but she’s still pretty angry with me. I can’t blame her.
Why can’t you blame her? If Meri is a real victim she has no fault. And remember Kody said in the last Tell All no fault, no blame at all on Meri. So then why is Kody and Robyn and Mariah all pissed off at Meri?

Erica Hill: Is it solely this event that’s gotten you to this point?
Meri: Um, I think this event kind of put it over the edge. I think this made it real tough.
It’s Meri being controlling with Mariah.

Erica Hill: Kody what’s it like to see this rift between Meri and Mariah?
Kody: I believe it will heal. I believe it will be fine. It’s just a matter of time and maybe some growing and maybe some communication. But I think Mariah sees there might be more damage done then is done. And for that sake being idealistic it’s like I wouldn’t doubt it if she’s, you know I don’t want to belittle what she’s saying but she might be punishing her mom.
She’s embarrassed and her mom did not care about what this would do to Mariah. How it would embarrass her with school and with her friends. She only cared about herself and how she felt loved by me. I asked her several times if she ever felt guilty and she said no. There was only a few times when she said she was feeling a little guilty but she said we aren’t doing anything wrong.

Erica Hill: Has she reached out to any of you any of the other sister wives as she’s going through this and trying to work it out with Meri and now that she’s home for the summer is she reaching out to any of you for guidance?
Robyn: Yes she does. And you know sister wife code you just validate her and back up her mama and try hard to help her to see where her mom is coming from and see what happened. But at the same time let her sit there and voice her opinion and express herself.


Erica Hill: I wanted to get Mariah’s take on the catfishing revelation and her relationship with her mother. So we sat down for a candid one on one conversation.

Erica Hill: So Mariah I know you struggled a lot with what happened with your mom. What’s all of this been like for you?
Mariah: Um, it’s been weird. I think is probably the best way to describe it.
Erica Hill: You said at one point that your mom made the mistake and she wants you to fix it. What did you mean by that?
Mariah: I think that she wants me to work through it fast so that we can figure this out fast so it can be done with. But I’m just not there yet?
Erica Hill: How did you first find out about the catfishing?
Mariah: Um, I guess I always had a from the very beginning I knew that was what was happening. You’re talking to someone online that you don’t know and I just. It was like a gut feeling I guess. I just.
Erica Hill: And so you mentioned something?
Mariah: I did.
Erica Hill: And did you tell your mom you need to cut this off?
Mariah: Um no but I don’t think if I had that would have done anything.
She was talking to both of us on the phone. She didn’t know that we were having an affair the whole time. And Meri asked me to give Mariah a job. Mariah emailed me her resume and from her experience we couldn’t hire her. She found a different job that she preferred and it worked out better that way. But Meri was pushing me already during the affair to take care of Mariah. Because Kody would cut off her money and she pays for all of Mariah’s stuff. Her college, her car, her food, her apartment. All of it comes from Meri’s money, not Kody’s money.

Erica Hill: Why do you think your mom was so vulnerable?
Mariah: I don’t know.
Erica Hill: No? Just kind of happened?
Mariah: Yeah, I mean. We as human beings can be vulnerable in any situations and I think that she was just in a weird place.
Erica Hill: Do you have sympathy for your mom in what she’s dealing with?
Mariah: (Long pause) Um, I don’t know.
She doesn’t because Mariah knows my side of the story.

Erica Hill: No?
Mariah: I don’t know.
Erica Hill: Do you trust your mom?
Mariah: Not fully.
Erica Hill: Why?
Mariah: I mean a lot of things happened and I think it came down to the catfishing, the whole, my whole last summer.
Erica Hill: Do you feel like she somehow did that to you? Because she seems to you know. She was a victim in that.
Mariah: Yeah. I think um, I don’t think she did it to me. But what happened did affect me.
Erica Hill: It seems like sometimes when we watch your interaction it seems like there’s some anger about it too. Are you angry?
Mariah: Yeah.
Erica Hill: Why?
Mariah: (Laughs) Um, it’s pretty obvious I just. I think I tried to tell her and I think I tried to make it not happen I guess. And she just did it anyway.
Erica Hill: So are you angry because you feel like she didn’t listen to you or because you weren’t able to stop something happening that you saw?
Mariah: Yeah. She didn’t listen to me.
Erica Hill: One of the things that came up during the visit with your mom is that you don’t want to live a polygamist lifestyle. Where did that come from?
Mariah: No I don’t think that had anything to do with my mom. I think if anything having that relationships with my other moms would have had that opposite effect but no so that wasn’t it. It was a lot of things I think. It was getting an education and being able to think for myself and learn different things made it so that wasn’t what I felt like I had to do anymore.
Erica Hill: Where do things stand now?
Mariah: I know mom’s ready to work on our relationship so I think she’s just kind of waiting on me to be ready. So
Erica Hill: So that’s where we’re at. Thanks for talking about this Mariah. I know it’s not easy. I really appreciate it.
Mariah: Thanks.


Erica Hill: Have any of the other children expressed any concerns or come to you guys with any concerns?
Christine: Yes because the magazines at the grocery stores are always saying things and then the teachers at the kids schools are always saying things. So we understand that Meri’s leaving. And I’m like, seriously? Seriously. The kids all know that Meri was catfished. The kids all know that.
They can all thank Meri and her friends for the magazines in the grocery stores. Meri and her trolls friends have been getting paid for 9 months to sell stories.
Janelle: We had a pretty open conversation about it.
Robyn: The older kids.
Christine: The younger kids know too some of the other kids and teachers have said things to the younger kids too. And they look at the magazine covers and so Gwendylan God bless her, we’re in the grocery store and she’s like Mom Meri’s leaving dad? I’m like Oh My Gosh and she does that for shock value. Yes she does she loves the whole shock factor.
Meri: She knows that I’m not.
Christine: She said what is this deal so I had a conversation with her Meri was catfished you know she was catfished. These are all lies and she said what are you going to do about the lies. I’m going to ignore them because they’re lies. If I addressed that lie then that gets more attention. I’m not doing it. And so the kids are.
Meri: Our energy is so well used in other places.
Erica Hill: What about as a family do you feel like you guys as the Brown family, you have moved beyond this moved beyond the fallout?
Janelle: I think we’re moving forward.
Kody: Yeah. I think if we’re not careful it can chase us down again. You know, um so um we’re moving forward and we have plans on you know having our family. You know be successful.
Robyn: I think our biggest thing is trying to support Meri through this and trying to make sure she’s in a safe place emotionally like you were saying and pointing out more of stuff continues to kind of happen and so our biggest thing is to make sure our kids kind of understand what is happening if they do find out and also at the same time just try really hard to support Meri as she still tries to figure this out.
Kody: My biggest focus is to be strong, help Meri to be strong and ignoring all these little people trying to do their little things that don’t affect us really.
Meri: I know that this is really really hard on Mariah and for that I will do whatever I can obviously to fix the relationship with her when she’s ready because she’s made it clear that she’s not ready. But I did want to say to these ladies that as hard as it is for me that she’s got a better relationship with them. I’m glad that she does I’m glad that she does have that safe place. I’m super glad that she’s got such a good relationship with her dad. And I do. I go back and forth. I don’t have just one quick moment of jealousy and then it overshadows by the relationship she has with my sister wives but I’m so glad that she has it. It’s like something I kind of fight, everyday. You know? Anyway, but I’m glad that they’re there for her.

The End. The show is cancelled. Meri is leaving.
Wait to see what happens next 😉 This isn’t over.


Not Yet.

Season 6 Tell All

Season 6 Tell All

Tamron Hall: Meri opens up about the shocking story that’s made headlines around the world.
Meri: You all know it’s not surprise that I have been struggling with stuff.
I don’t know if it has anything to do with the fact that when Mariah left to college I don’t know if that just kind of set me in this weird place.
I need to figure out how to define myself. And I don’t know exactly what that’s going to mean.
I don’t know if I just need to dive head first into school and forget everything else. I don’t know if I need to go away for a week on a camping trip out by myself.
Don’t be surprised if I just up and leave and gone.
Anyway so I guess I’m just telling you guys to not be surprised when I do some really weird off the wall thing. Because you never know what I’m going to do.
She added in a line on this that we hadn’t seen before. Really weird off the wall thing was leaving them to be with me. It had nothing to do with she was protecting them from a “catfish”. She again proves she is lying by saying this. And adds in you never know what I’m going to do. That’s bragging. She was being arrogant because she knew she was out of there. Finally.

Tamron Hall: Robyn what were you thinking during that exchange? What did you think Meri was talking about?
Robyn: Meri hasn’t been herself for a long time.
Tamron Hall: Janelle?
Janelle: You know it just seems Meri has seemed to be a little more distant from the family and we keep trying to, we are anxious to help her in any way we can. And I think we are all just trying to figure out how that is best done at this point.
Tamron Hall: Kody take me back to that conversation, what did you think when you heard what Meri was saying?
Kody: I didn’t know what to think. I’m waiting for her just to express something to me. And at the time it just seemed so vague. I don’t even know. And I don’t want to push her. She hasn’t felt well for a long time. She hasn’t felt or she hasn’t seemed like herself for a long time. And
Tamron Hall: You say a long time, give me, in the last few year or since Mariah left? What?
Kody: To me in my head its like 6 months. I don’t remember exactly. I just, I’m actually afraid to push too hard because I’ve been asking that question a lot What’s wrong Meri? What’s going on? And she’s like, I don’t want to talk about it I don’t, I can’t talk about it.
6 months was the length of our affair. March 1st 2015 to August 23rd, 2015. She did talk about it but she never told him she was having an affair with me.

Tamron Hall: Just a few days before I was to sit down with the Browns shocking news broke. Meri had been catfished unbeknownst to Kody and her sister wives. She had engaged in an online relationship. Meri believed it was with a man named Sam. But now it appears Sam may not exist. And the person behind him may actually be a woman.
I do exist. And my name is Sam. The catfish story was created online by trolls. Not at all by Meri. She just went along with the lie to cover her own ass. She figured out the only way to get away with having an affair with me would be to claim it was a woman, claim we never met, and claim everyone but her is lying about all of this.
In her lies she told her family a lot of things that were not true. That is all they had to go on. And she had never lied to them to this extent before. So they believed her. But they all questioned her truth. All of them have their doubts about it and even Robyn has admitted several times she believed for months Meri was having a real affair with me.

Tamron Hall: Meri I want to talk to you about something that I know is difficult. Your eyes are already tearing up. It’s been revealed that you had an online connection with someone, who may not have been who you thought. Tell me what happened?
Tearing up why? If it was just a friendship and only talking why all of the emotions about me? Why wouldn’t the only emotion she ever have is anger? Why does she cry every single time she talks about me? Because we were in love. And she was still in love with me at this point. We had only been broken up 2 months at the time of this interview.

Meri: How much time do you have?
Tamron Hall: I’ve got as much as you need.
Meri: Um, last time we were here, it was about that time the legal divorce between Kody and I had been made public. And throughout that month all of us were getting bombarded with questions of what’s going on, you know did Meri divorce Kody? Why did Meri divorce Kody? and lots and lots and lots of comments to me cheering me on. That I had finally left him.
A lot of people do want Meri to leave Kody because they see how he treats her. He sees she has not been happy in years. He doesn’t pay any attention to her, he makes her do the work and the organizing of the family stuff. He treats her like an employee not like his wife. They aren’t in love anymore. And haven’t been in years.
Tamron Hall: This, online?
Meri: Online, yeah. It was all social media. And I guess I just kind of got into this vulnerable state where I was open to friendships and relationships outside of my family. Outside of my safety zone. And people started reaching out to me and there was this one particular person who did reach out to me and he and I started talking online through social media and then we started talking on the phone and I really enjoyed the friendship and the laughter. He started saying all the right things. He started saying very flattering comments and expressing affection and love to me. And I fell for it. I started to love who he was portraying himself to be.
She was bored and looking for someone to talk to. She thought I was funny and enjoyed how much I made her laugh. That’s why she began talking to me. She also trusted me and felt safe with me. Again she admits that we fell in love. She completely changes that to it was just a friendship and she cared about me later on.

Tamron Hall: Looking back at how this all started you pointed out, you know the laughter, the compliments was that something missing in your relationship with Kody?

Meri: I think that was something when I first started talking to this person, I was open to the friendship and the laughter.
Notice how she avoids saying yes or no to the question. They both admit later on things were really bad and they weren’t even talking to each other.

Tamron Hall: What can you tell me about the voicemails and the letters between you and this person? Are you able to tell me anything about them?
Meri: You know through the course of our phone conversations he would tell me things like I want you to call me and leave me messages and tell me how you feel or tell me all these certain things and he was specific about things that he wanted me to say.
Wrong. This is another lie. She is the one that was always asking me to leave her sweet messages. She wanted me to leave a voicemail every time I called if she didn’t answer. So I did. She left me voicemails to tell me to call back. If she expressed anything at all, that was out of the blue. Not something I asked her to do.
If I had forced her to leave voicemails it wouldn’t have sounded affectionate or loving. It would have been mater of fact. Because if someone makes you say something we all know what that sounds like. You say the minimum thing and you don’t express any type of emotion. This is insulting.

Tamron Hall: He wanted you to say on the voicemail that you were in love?
Meri: He wanted me to express how much I loved him and how much I cared for him.
She expressed both because that’s how she felt about me. Listen to the voicemails for yourself. You will hear in her own words how much she loved me. That kind of emotion can not be faked.

Tamron Hall: How long did this go on?
Meri: I talked to him for 6, I talked to him for quite a while but it was early on that I started seeing cracks in his story and things were not making sense. And he started pushing more and more for a more serious relationship at the same time as subtle threats of a friend of his and what she could do and as far as being a self-proclaimed hacker. Being very technologically suave.
She caught herself saying 6 months because we had talked to each other for a lot longer than this. But not as intimately as we had. We met years prior to this twitter interaction. She said she remembered talking to me back then. And why isn’t she correcting Tamron Hall on referencing me as a him if Meri is trying to claim I’m female? She would adamantly be saying it’s a female. Not let that pass by if she was telling the truth. She is lying and she doesn’t correct the pronoun usage.

Tamron Hall: What were the threats Meri?
Meri: He would say things about his friend that you don’t ever want to cross her. I eventually met her in real life. I never did meet him. But I met her. And she would do things like placing her phone on my phone and say that she could get all of the information from my phone. And I made the decision to distance myself from my friends and even my family. Because I felt like I had to protect them until I could get to a place that I could safely get out of the situation.
Lies. I never threatened her at all. She did meet Lindsay. She did meet me. She met me before she met Lindsay. Placing her phone on Meri’s phone does nothing at all. There is no hacking anything that can get information from simply placing it on top of one another Lol There’s not an app for that! Again, making this up.

Tamron Hall: So you were not telling any of the family, in a sense all alone, and you were receiving threats from these people.
Meri: Mmmhmm.
She won’t say yes to this openly because she knows she is telling a lie.

Tamron Hall: And you believed they would destroy your family?
Meri: I was scared of what they could do because they were showing it.
She was scared of the truth being found out about the affair. That was the only thing she was ever worried about.

Tamron Hall: So you felt these were not idle threats? These people could act on them?
Meri: I felt very threatened by them and then there was times that I would be at a store and he would call me and start talking to me and just say are you at such and such store? And I’m like Yeah, how do you know that?

She was shopping one time at a store, she only shops at a few stores and Lindsay popped off and said oh is she over at such and such store again? That was it. We all laughed about it. No one was following her or stalking her. The day this happened Lindsay was with Stacey all day, that has been verified because they were down on the strip gambling all day. Not stalking Meri, not following her at all. It was a joke. Meri is twisting that into what it’s not. Meri shops at Maurice’s, Kohl’s, Hobby Lobby, Walmart, Target, and the Red Rock mall. It’s pretty easy to figure out where she’s at.

Tamron Hall: You are very emotional I think you wear your feelings on your sleeve to live with that fear how did you mange to conceal it?
Meri: I felt like I had to. So I just kept pushing them away because I didn’t know what else to do because I was scared of what these other people could do.
People? I thought she was claiming it was one person, a woman. Why is she now multiplying and morphing me into these people?

Tamron Hall: Did anyone else know that this, did you have an inkling that something like this was going on?
Janelle: She was so distant. She would show up at family gatherings and she would sit in the background and then she would disappear as soon as the main event was over. I mean she was just so distant.
She did not want to be there anymore. She would text me or call me before she went to whatever was going on. She would be texting me the whole time she was there. And when she walked to her house she would call or text me. She wanted to talk to me. Not go hang out with her family.

Tamron Hall: So when did you find out Kody?
Kody: Not until 3 weeks ago. But I, there was this situation that was going on and these people where. So I was seeing some of it. Had people reaching out to me, this is a little weird. And I’m like Meri look these people are creepy can you get, can you cut them off? And she would just give me blank stares.
And here is where everyone is pissed at her. She was talking to me for 6 months and no one knew it was an affair. They knew she was talking to me. They all knew my name. She kept denying to Robyn it was more than a friendship. She kept telling Kody we were just friends. When Kody told her to stop talking to me 3 times, each times she told him no.

Tamron Hall: So you thought these were just friends she had made online that were creepy? It was kind of bugging you.
Kody: Yeah the thing is the whole time that I’m saying that to her she was concerned that her house was bugged. And frankly there were some mistakes that I made very specifically in our relationship and it was almost like a perfect storm. So she’s in a lonely and vulnerable spot. And the couple of times I went to talk to her, one times she’s just in tears, when I’m saying Hey Meri you need to stop this with these people.
Lindsay nor I bugged Meri’s house the times we were in it Lol That’s ridiculous. This is what I’m saying. It makes no sense her story. She was in tears because she knew she was leaving and she was scared of what they would think of her. She was scared of how she was going to actually leave. It was scary to her but she wanted to go. We had a plan for her to leave.
Tamron Hall: When you said stop this with these people, what did you think was going happening?
Kody: I thought it was just phone conversations and email and texting.
It was also in person for dinners, vacations together, dates and sex. But okay Lol

Meri: It was just phone conversations.
No it wasn’t. It was also phonesex, real sex, kissing, hugging, holding, holding hands, kissing on my neck a lot, holding her from behind and just talking, snuggling in my bed, in hotel beds, in her own bed in her house. It was a lot more than just phone conversations. She is 100% lying about that.

Kody: Yeah that’s all I was, I actually at the time, some of it was just what was online I was like hey you got to stop this.
Tamron Hall: Help me again, I’m trying to…
Kody: I was reading a flirt.
Yes we were flirting on Twitter. Openly and very publicly. Meri wanted that. She kept telling me how much she loved the love quotes, the songs, and all our coded messages. Again check the text messages for the word code. She mentioned how we needed to begin talking in code more so no one would find out. She loved all of the attention she was getting from her fans about me. She said it made her feel special that people were happy for her being with me. She said a lot of her fans were thrilled to see her flirting and talking to me. She said we had a lot of support as a couple.

Tamron Hall: Okay.
Kody: Okay.
Tamron Hall: Let me take a step back here. Obviously, this is your wife, you see a flirtation. Let me hear your response as her husband when you discover this.
Kody: Yeah, right. Well, okay. So I’m well aware that Meri and I haven’t been taking care of our relationship at this time so if we move back a little bit I just remember one night after one of our episodes airs Meri is looking at what’s going on social media and she goes Don’t these people understand that I am married? And I’m like hey listen you know for the sake of our family will you just stop talking with these people? And one time she was kind of like staring at me like deer in the headlights, like now I remember it and I go oh I should have read that better. That read was I’m in a very bad situation and I can’t say nothing. And the other time that I talked to her about it, it was just flowing tears. But I wasn’t sure if she was done with me? And I was in a spot myself where I was just kind of patiently waiting for her to say do you want to rekindle our relationship do you want to go back and do some more counselling do you want to work on this or something like that. I was trying to be hands off so I wasn’t being controlling but I realized something was up but I didn’t even know what. And so I’m kind of in a fog while these people are terrorizing her.
No one was terrorizing her. If we had made even 1 threat, there would be evidence of this. Not just Meri telling a story. It’s 2016, there would be a text with a threat, there would be a voicemail with a threat. Something. All she has is loving messages, love letters, and all kinds of gifts. She was done with him. She wanted out. She was not in love with him anymore and she wanted to start a new life with me. She was tired of feeling like she was worthless. Because she told me that’s what he makes her feel like.

Tamron Hall: Obviously people will make assumptions and only you know the truth. Tell me what was it that you were missing that this person was able to infiltrate your heart?
Meri does know the truth but she refuses to say it. She wants to save her own ass. She was missing love. She had never had anyone love her just for who she is. She was judged, ridiculed and picked on her entire marriage. I never treated her like that. I was kind and loving always. She fell in love with how much I respected her and treated her like my Queen.

Meri: I don’t know what I was missing necessarily so much as when we started talking online, I laughed. And the laughter felt good to me in my, I guess vulnerable state.
We laughed all of the time. This vulnerable state business is a cover up for her wanting to talk to someone, anyone.

Tamron Hall: To set the record straight Meri, was there any physical relationship with this person?
Meri: Big giant pause, no. I never met this person. I’ve never met this person, I’ve never seen him, I’ve never seen. You know the pictures that he sent to me were of an actor. And said that they were him.
She pauses before saying no. Because she knows she’s about to tell a lie. We did meet. And her claim that Lindsay is the catfish. She did meet Lindsay. So again even if she doesn’t want to own up to meeting me, she claims Lindsay is the catfish, they met. There are photos of them together just like there are photos of her and I together.
The pictures I sent where photos of me. Not an actor. She is also making that part up Lol Again, if that were true why wouldn’t this be a huge part of her story? This would be evidence for her. So where is it? Why has she never once said here is the fake photos Sam passed off as himself! She knows it’s a lie.

Tamron Hall: You did meet the friend?
Meri: I met the female friend. And she’s the one who I would talk to, there would be times that I would be talking to him on the phone and he would have a temper tantrum of sorts and hang up the phone. And then I’d get calls from her saying you better fix this, you better call, you better call and tell him how much you love him. You better fix this situation and so I’d have to. I felt in a place that I had to just do whatever it was that they said.
And she claims my female friend, Lindsay, is the real catfish. That’s Meri’s story. So again she just confirms she has lied saying she never met the person that she claims has catfished her. If anyone knows Lindsay they know for a fact Lindsay never calls anybody. You can not get her on the phone for more than 5 minutes unless she is interested or working on a plan for something. She has no desire to talk on the phone or even text. Her texts consist of no, f u, ok, yea, and k Lol That’s all she says via text. Lindsay never called Meri to tell her to fix anything. Meri would call Lindsay and say he broke up with me again. What do I do? And then Meri would show up over at Lindsay’s hotel and they would go talk. Or they would go out to eat.

Tamron Hall: How did you find the courage to tell these 4 people the truth?
Meri: It took a lot.
Now this part I do believe. It had to be really hard to explain the affair. And she is still scared of Kody because she refuses to tell the guy the truth.

Robyn: I made her.
Robyn did force her to tell everyone. Meri was really upset when I broke up with her. She waited 2 weeks before she told Robyn she fell in love with me. I know this because Kendra called Lindsay and said Robyn had called her bawling her eyes out. That Meri had confessed to her she fell in love with me and that I broke up with her. Meri told Robyn we were having an affair. So Robyn knew at this point. I don’t know when the story Robyn told gets twisted from the truth of what she told Kendra, but they changed it into Meri told her she was catfished. And that was the beginning of the lie.

Tamron Hall: How did you make her? How did you know?
Robyn: I’d been begging her for months to talk to me. I knew something wasn’t right. I was begging her and begging her to talk to me.
Tamron Hall: What made you decide to finally talk to them and tell them the truth?
Meri: I just knew I had to I knew I couldn’t keep doing that. They would ruin my life. That was said to me many times. I believe that was the goal was in this was to break up this family.
Again with the they, plural. If she is claiming she was catfished by a woman, it would be one person.
Tamron Hall: How did you get out Meri?
Meri: I don’t feel like I am out yet. I mean I’ve told them.
Tamron Hall: But you felt enough to tell them
Meri: I’ve told them.
Tamron Hall: When did you tell them? How did you tell them?
Meri: We were in Colorado seeing Hunter at the Air Force academy and I just went into Robyn’s hotel room one night and we just started talking and I just knew I needed to tell her. There was so many times that she even came over, there was one time I called her over and this was months ago. I called her over to my house and she just laid there on my bed with me while I cried because I couldn’t say anything. I just felt so unsafe. I was just so scared.
This is exactly what I said the day after Robyn called Kendra and told her. I said they were in Colorado, I said Meri was in Robyn’s room and Meri told Robyn about me. This is all on my blog. The times she would cry in her house and Robyn would hold her was about Meri wanting attention and support. She knew she was leaving soon and she was really going to miss Robyn a lot. So she would talk to her about how bad things were with Kody and Robyn will not admit that part. She is covering for Meri.

Tamron Hall: What was that like telling Kody?
Meri: Horrible. I feel like I’ve, I go between this conflicting place in my head where I feel so much guilt for bringing this into the family. And being at such a place that I invited it in. I feel a lot of guilt for that.
I imagine his head exploded Lol This would also be the reason why Kody has spent a lot of time on my blog reading and listening to the voicemails. The dumbass did not even use a Proxy to come visit. He clicks on all of my blog entries that I put on Twitter and comes over to read. Lindsay had his IP address and has verified it’s his cellphone number that is hitting my blog. We have verified it is him. We also verified that Robyn and Meri have also been on my blog since we broke up reading things and listening to voicemails. The tracker Lindsay installed on my blog captured every page all 3 of them clicked on and she can pull it up on what they did read and listen to. Kody has listened to ALL of the voicemails. Even the newer ones. And he has clicked on that Rated R button over 20 times trying to access it. He wants to know what’s in there. I put a password on it.

Tamron Hall: When she says that Kody what’s going through your mind?
Kody: This is somebody who I started to see was trying to exploit her in a way to literally harm our family and find some way to damage our children. And so nothing but forgiveness in this case. It was, I see it, others may see it a different way but I see it as a flirt. So what.
What he really means here is this threatens their show and they won’t be able to pay for their kids if they lose the money they get from the show. Their kids were never in any danger, all they will deal with is the public questions about the tabloid stuff or things they have read on my blog and online. Several of the Brown kids access my blog. We have also verified that from the IP addresses on their homes. The kids use their cellphones to read my blog.

Tamron Hall: So this is not emotional infidelity?
Kody: I don’t even know what that is. What I see is somebody she had made friends with, somebody that she felt safe with but that she was just having a communication.
Kody knows what emotional infidelity is and he does believe Meri is guilty of that. That’s why their marriage is still shit. He doesn’t want to believe I slept with her but he knows that she was cheating on him in some capacity.
It was more than a communication. We had an affair. We met in person several times, we went on vacations together, to dinners, lunches, out shopping. We hung out at my house a lot. And when they were all out-of-town we hung out at her house

Tamron Hall: She felt she was in love. Or she thought she was in love.
Kody: Well
Meri: I felt a love for a person who was not even real.
Meri again slips up because later on she changes the story and says she cared for me. She admits here she fell in love with me. Then quickly diminishes her feelings by lying and saying I am not real. She knows I’m real.
Tamron Hall: I understand.
Kody: I need a second, I don’t get that because I need to see somebody to love them do you know what I mean. It sounds like…
Kody is trying to rationalize it on how he lives his life. He’s not taking into account this was Meri’s actions. This is how Meri does things not how he perceives it. She is fundamentally different from him.

Tamron Hall: But it may speak to what she talked about, just that yearning and  all of these things that were happening.
Meri: Well he, he made me. He said all the right things to make me feel like I could trust him.
I made her love me. That’s true. Because I treated her very well. I treated her like my Queen. I fell deeply in love with her. She has been very hard to get over. We had such a special connection and a great love. She called me her soulmate.

Tamron Hall: Janelle how are you processing all of this?
Janelle: My first reaction was to put on armour and go to war. I wasn’t going to let these creeps or these freaky people or whoever the heck they are. I was ready to go to war. I was ready to go to war. I visualized us all like honestly suiting up in armour, I don’t know how else to say it just circling around her and just. That’s what I felt. We were going to go to war to protect her.
Christine: Our job is to keep everybody safe.
Kody: Yeah. Solidarity. This is, we support Meri. We find out what we can do to protect her, to protect us. To keep our family together. To keep the relationship to go to those places that we neglected.
I’m glad they are supporting her. But what war does Janelle feel like she needs to go to? No one has ever been hurt. Just embarrassed by all of this. Meri will never admit it hurt her when I broke up with her. She will only say she’s humiliated. Yet she cries thinking about the good times we had.

Tamron Hall: Meri have you told them everything?
Meri: Yes.
No Lol

Tamron Hall: Everything? So all of the cards are on the table. They, the Brown adults know it all.
Meri: Nods yes
No she hasn’t.
Tamron Hall: What about your children?
Meri: A couple of hours ago I was in and pulled the kids together, Logan, Aspyn, Mariah, Madison, Mykelti and I just said I wanted to let you guys know no matter what you’ve heard, no matter what’s out there I was never going to leave you guys. I love my family I’m not ever going to leave.
Meri never wanted to leave the family. She just wanted to leave Kody. She told Mariah about this 2 weeks after she told the adults. So Mariah knew and that’s why Mariah has been pissed at her. Because when she told Mariah, Mariah went right to my blog and started reading it. Then she contacted me and had a bunch of questions.

Tamron Hall: Just for clarification in those exchanges there was talk of you leaving.
Meri: Social media buzz was that I was leaving. Because what they were seeing was me making comments about flying free, finding myself, you know doing my own thing, that kind of stuff. And this was stuff that was guided and this was also stuff that was meant in my mind against this person I want to fly free from this person.
Tamron Hall: Did you ever
Meri: And people took that as I was wanting to fly free from the family.
Tamron Hall: For clarification did you tell that man who you wanted to leave and be with him?
Meri: Yeah. This person pushed that on me.
I didn’t push it at all. And now we’re back to this person. Not sticking to her claim the catfish is female.

Tamron Hall: You didn’t mean it?
Meri: He, no. There was not a person to leave with. And I always knew that I was never going to leave with him.
She did know, she planned her exit with me, I put $50,000 in a Chase bank account, the same bank she banks at for her to leave and pay up any existing bills. She was leaving  and moving out after they got back from Alaska. That was our plan.

Tamron Hall: Why did you say it?
Meri: He was always pushing it on me. You don’t want to be in that family. I want you with me. He was always pushing it on me.
She wanted out. She wanted to be with me and I wanted her with me too. We were in love. I never pushed her to leave her husband or family. I told her if she wanted to go, let’s go. And she wanted out.

Tamron Hall: You will obviously have people who watch this show and who have watched it for many seasons, who believe that you were the person ultimately  who did say you wanted or could leave the Brown family. That that’s what you meant. Even if the other person on the other end of that phone was fake.
Yes she did say that.

Meri: It doesn’t matter what I say or what we say, people are always going to believe what they want to believe. But the one thing that I can say is I feel like that this person or these people or whoever it is started focusing on us for whatever reason I don’t know why and targeted us and wanted to tear our family apart. And that’s not happening on my watch.

She was not targeted. She was the one that contacted me first. She continued to contact me because of how funny I am. And we started an affair. On her watch Lol

New sneak peak response

The newest sneak peak that came out from the upcoming Tell All special is sad but more lies. Let me share my side of this. With proof 😉

To set the record straight Meri, was there any physical relationship with this person?

Meri says “No, I never met this person. I’ve never met this person. I’ve never seen him. I’ve never seen, um… You know the pictures that he sent to me were of an actor. And said that they were him.”


The first time we had sex was March 6, 2015. The next day we did a Disney trip. Here are the texts from that day that prove we had been intimate the night before. Click on the date to read it.

March 7, 2015


March 7th, 2015


Yes there was a physical relationship. Here is proof of it. This is one example. It was originally posted here: Intimate

This is a photo I took on April 18, 2015 of Meri laying in her bed. This was shortly before we had sex that night.


We had sex. It was very nice. We had been having sex for weeks at this point. Afterwards we talked and laughed at how sweaty and messed up her hair was. We talked and she said something that I felt she was comparing me to him.  I got pissed and left. So she started leaving me voicemails to explain what she meant. Here is what she said in the voicemails.

The 41st voicemail she says:

“Babe come on. What is going on tonight? Why are you struggling? My gosh I was not saying that being intimate with you was my worst, it’s my hair. It’s a mop. Oh my gosh honey, don’t. Please honey you’re really having a hard time with something tonight and I wish you would talk to me. Honey I’m here for you. I’m here. I haven’t gone anywhere I keep trying. Honey please. I love you I don’t know what’s going on.”

The 42nd voicemail she says:

“Baby I’m really sad. I feel like you’re pushing me away. You really misunderstood what I was saying. I’ve been…Laying here with you is very vulnerable. With, especially with my hair looking a mess. That’s all I was saying. All I was saying. Please don’t try to read anything else into it. Being with you is very special to me. It really is.”

In the 43rd voicemail she apologizes and tells me she loves me.

41st Voicemail 4-18-2015 4:29am

42nd Voicemail 4-18-2015 4:38am

43rd Voicemail 4-18-2015 4:45am

44th Voicemail 4-18-2015 10:28am

45th Voicemail 4-18-2015 4:30pm


To address the lie that I sent her photos that were of an actor. No. She has to go along with what catfish do. Catfish people send fake pictures. I never sent her fake pictures. But to go along with her false catfish story she has to say something. This really pisses me off.


You did meet the friend?

Meri says “I met the female friend. And she’s the one who I would talk to. There were, there would be times that I would be talking to him on the phone and he would have a temper tantrum of sorts and hang up the phone. And then I’d get calls from her saying you better fix this, you better call. You better call and tell him how much you love him. You better fix this situation. And so I’d have to. I felt in a place that I had to just do whatever it was that they said.

Lindsay met Meri in the parking lot of her hotel at the end of March to give Meri a box of stuff that had the stuffed panda bear, some love letters I wrote and a few small gifts for Meri. One was a blue Coach wallet. What was supposed to be a quick 2 minutes, here is your box, bye meeting turned into them standing in the parking lot and talking for over an hour about all kinds of things. They have a lot in common and Meri was asking Lindsay a lot of questions about me since Lindsay has known me for 20 years. From there they became friends. Meri contacted Lindsay a lot because she needed and wanted someone to talk to. Lindsay is not someone that ever contacts anyone. It’s very rare. She is too busy and could really care less about staying on contact with anyone that she barely knows. Meri would show up over at Lindsay’s hotel and the girls would talk for about an hour or so about everything going on. Meri would call and text Lindsay when we were fighting because she was upset and just wanted to talk. There were no threats ever made.  There was nothing at all said as you better fix this. That’s a total lie. There was never any pressure to talk to me and be in my life. If I was really this bad, why did it go on for 6 months? She is ridiculous! And she’s lying!



How did you find the courage to tell these 4 people the truth?

Meri says: It took a lot.

Robyn says: I made her.

Meri confided to Robyn about the affair on the September 6th weekend trip they took to visit Hunter at college in Colorado. That was the first time it was ever confirmed that Meri had had an affair with me for the past 6 months. We had broken up August 23rd, 2015. And finally ended it forever August 30th, 2015. I made zero contact with Meri since that date. I have not threatned her, spoken to her, contacted her, or even looked at anything on her twitter. Lindsay also has had no contact with her since August 24th, 2015 when Meri texted her and asked if I had moved on.

The texts are here:

8-24-2015 12:14pm
Meri: He obviously moved on?

8-24-2015 12:14pm
Meri: And is he happy about it?

8-24-2015 1:05pm
Lindsay: What

8-24-2015 1:05pm
Lindsay: He is not happy

8-24-2015 1:08pm
Meri: Seems it according to twitter. I just asked him for one thing then things can go back to normal. It’s up to him if he wants it. I never left. Nor would I. I am just waiting. Depends on how much he wants it I guess.

8-24-2015 1:15pm
Lindsay: Do you want me to call

8-24-2015 1:27pm
Lindsay: I called
8-24-2015 6:45pm
Lindsay: I am glad you texted me today. I was confused as to why you were asking me if he had moved on. I did not tell him we talked

How did you make her? How did you know?

Robyn says, I had been begging her for months to talk to me. I knew something wasn’t right. I was begging her and begging her to talk to me.


Robyn is telling the truth. Robyn was the only one checking on Meri. She did this about once a month. Meri kept telling her she was not happy with Kody and she wanted to leave. Robyn cried about it and said she loved Meri and wanted to work on the friendship part of their relationship so that she wouldn’t feel alone. When she found out from Meri in September she had an affair with me Robyn was very upset and cried and devasted.

I know that the family is going to stick up for Meri and I expect them to. But she is not being honest with them. She is only telling half truths or she is outright lying. I expected her to lie about sometimes but never this much. And she is offering no proof at all.

It makes me incredibly sad. To be denied from someone that I loved with all of my heart. I get it. I understand she has a show and a family to protect. But I was never a threat to her or to them. When it was done I walked away. It was her friend that kept harassing me daily and saying how much Meri hated me. I began posting all of this after weeks of this going on. And now here we are. I am incredibly sad over this.

The hardest part is watching her cry. I love her so much I never want to see her cry. It’s sad. All of this is sad.

March 3, 2015 The Afternoon

  1. I got hardly any sleep. It was one of those moments in your life that you just feel really good. We talked all night and really shared a lot of personal things with each other. She was very different than what I thought. She is not like she is on tv. There she is not as open. She is guarded and likes to keep it light. With me she was having fun but also had long deep conversations. I was intrigued by her. Even more so after the first phone call.

So we talked. I went to bed. I got up and went into work and tried to stay awake. I think I got 4 hours of sleep. It was brutal. But I was really feeling pretty good.

I did have birthday plans. I was supposed to go out to a restaurant where my friends had a dinner party waiting for me but I blew it off. Because I didn’t really want to go celebrate my birthday and I was enjoying the conversation. Later on that day Meri sent me a quote photo. And we started texting again. But briefly. Later on in the afternoon I called her and we talked for about 40 minutes. Discussing the disney trip.


This  the quote photo she texted to me to begin talking to me. Very cool, huh? It fits me perfectly.

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