My Interview Part 8

This is the last one I will post for today.

20. How many days was this after you started talking to her?
21. A week after you started talking on Twitter she said I love you for the first time?
22. We see the text messages between you. What she said was “Thank you for making the sacrifice to fly so far. I wish we were alone today for you to pull me into your embrace, and to kiss my neck and run your fingers through my hair as you wrap your arms lovingly and passionately around me. I do love you Sam. This is so crazy. I love you. And I miss you. I need to touch you.”
23. Then you say “Meri, You love me? Oh Meri.” She said, I love you Sam. I love you. And you reply with “I love you.” Did you really love her at this point?
And then she says “I don’t like feeling love that I can’t act on.” You reply, “We can. In anyway you find acceptable. I want your lips.”

24. And she replies “I know you do and I want yours but we can’t babe. Not after last night.” What is your thinking when Meri Brown, a spiritually married woman on a reality tv show is saying something like that to you?
https://vimeo.com/165717528

My Interview Part 3-7

interview  7. Who started talking to who on Twitter?
8. Did she know it was you, someone who she had already interacted with before?
9. What were your thoughts the first night you talked to her?
https://vimeo.com/165701206
10. What was your reaction the next morning when you saw she added you and she sent you a message?
11. Why did you continue to respond?
12. Not much is known about Meri’s personal life. How much was she revealing to you early on?
13. When did she really start opening up to you and talking to you about the problems in her life?
https://vimeo.com/165701324
14. What did you think about all of the things she was telling you?
16. You say you had sex with her the first night before the Disney meet up. What happened?
14. What did you think about all of the things she was telling you?
15. He declined to answer
16. You say you had sex with her the first night before the Disney meet up. What happened?
https://vimeo.com/165701463
17. What happened after?
18. No I mean after you two had sex and she had just cheated on her spiritual husband, did she express any guilt or regret?
https://vimeo.com/165701719
19. So you get to Disney, what happened?
https://vimeo.com/165701902

My Interview Part 1 and 2

interview  I sat down last month to talk to 5 screenwriters wanting information. It was a video interview, we pulled the audio off and are posting it on here a few parts at a time.

I was honest and candid. I answered every question I agreed to. I gave a lot of new information and I tried my best to remember the timeline.

1. Why did you finally agree to talk?
https://vimeo.com/165692650

2. What is your real name?
3. You are obviously male. How does it feel when people have accused you of not being a man?
4. Your id says Samuel Cooper in Chicago, Illinois. Why do you think people still don’t believe you are who you say you are?
5. Why don’t you show your driver’s license and prove it?
6. Okay, so how did you meet Meri Brown?
https://vimeo.com/165692788

 

Kendra’s Interview Part 3

interview  Kendra’s Interview part 3

 

 

 

Was Meri trying to save herself?

Absolutely. I think she turned it into whatever it could be besides her, she didn’t want to take responsibility for her action. I believe she found whatever way she could to get out of it. So, No no not true it didn’t happen I was led to believe this was it and so that’s why I behaved the way I did. I’m sorry. Really? I mean come on. That would be understandable after a few weeks of this person not wanting to hang out with you. But when you start sending nude pictures, sexy voicemails, I love yous, taking trips together, videos being recorded of things that. Well you can’t be hooking up with a ghost in those picture that’s for sure. You know what I mean? How are you going to go out there and say you were catfished. It was to cover her ass but unfortunately there was too much evidence to prove it (The affair) because there is no way, that’s a really long time to be catfished.

You had a very public war with Lindsay for months. How did that change?

This was the difference I think. Through all of this, well we butted heads big time because she was defending Sam,  I was defending the Browns. None of us were willing to budge on that either way. My goal was to get Sam and Meri, in the beginning, apart. Until I saw and realized that Meri had actually like been involved with him so that’s what changed my opinion on that. Initially it was, this is embarrassing. It’s chasing the family down. It’s attracting attention making the show look bad. Gotta go. Gotta go away. You(Lindsay) need to get him out of here. And that was my intention of reaching out to Sam was like dude what are you doing, you’re crazy, she’s married, stop. Go somewhere else. She and I, we just fought forever. I tried so hard to get truths out (From Lindsay) to find out for so long, is this friendship or relationship? Lindsay refused to budge, refused, refused, refused. It took months (5 months) to get an answer or truth. The only reason it happened was because what I just explained about because eventually the truth had to come out. It was the only way it could, by her showing me evidence.

How has defending Robyn changed?

When I was going through all of this public scrutiny, all the horrible articles coming out about me.  I believe when you are friends with somebody like I believed I was with Robyn. I have always supported her, I’ve always defended her and I’ve always been, basically, hung on the cross for doing stuff. She’s definitely not a fan favorite. She’s definitely one, people would be like you are out of your frickin mind for defending this person she’s a horrible person what is wrong with you. And I always found the good in her and I would fight tooth and nail for her, she can not ever deny that if she does, then she’s a liar. But when it came down to anything happening to me, never once did she ever, ever come up to bat for me. Maybe once or twice she would say that we knew each other. But aside from that, things like that she would never stood up for me. And that’s the one thing the trolls always pointed out and the haters. You fight like crazy for a family yet they never defend you. You are crazy what’s wrong with you. You must be an idiot. It’s kind of true. It’s definitely true. They never defended me, ever.

Will Meri leave someday?

That’s kind of a trick question because I think what it comes down to is money. During this time that Meri was with Sam or seeing Sam he was financially helping her in many ways, which she’ll never admit. But he was. So it comes down to money. That’s just what it comes down to.

What do you feel about Robyn now?

My feelings about Robyn is she’s completely changed. She’s not the person I met years ago. I guess I might as well be honest with how I feel. Robyn completely changed and morphed into the person everybody said she was. She went from being Kody’s new wife who’s been put through all these horrible things from the other wives to being the number one slot controlling the situation often talking over the other wives. Basically taking control of everything. And I’ve seen that happen I’ve kind of been watching it and I believe I expressed that to her a few times like this is how it’s appearing on tv. But the truth is I believe she’s completely changed. It no longer became, I really don’t know how to explain myself, honestly, I don’t know how to explain it. All I can tell you is that everything that people, the opinions that people have been putting out there or the people who have been seeing it who have really met Robyn, how she’s changed. She’s definitely changed.

Is Robyn the favorite?

I think that Kody and Robyn found something that Kody didn’t expect. I think that in many ways Robyn is his soulmate. She’s pretty much everything he didn’t expect that he ever really wanted in a relationship. I believe that Robyn gives Kody and this is completely not my opinion of her right now it’s what I’ve seen, but I do believe that she fulfills him in everyway meaning that she. She makes sure that he’s number one. She makes sure that he knows how much she loves him. She makes sure that he’s valued in their relationship. And I’m not saying that that doesn’t happen in the other relationships or never has happened. But I think after 20 something years of marriage and raising kids situations changed. And I think that when Kody found all of this in Robyn he took a seat back in the other relationships because they were too difficult or problems came up or whatever. Whatever the situation is whatever people have seen on tv unfold is what they’re pretty open about that I guess. I think that, I do believe because, I really do believe this that he does love and respect his other wives. As far as Meri is concerned that’s a kind of on a different off topic situation but I do believe that as far as Janelle and Christine, he loves and respects and he honors his family and it’s not something he would ever intentionally just break up. He wouldn’t do that, he would have done that a long time ago. I do believe in his heart without any intention of hurting anyone else Robyn became just his soulmate. She just fulfills everything and I mean there’s nothing, it’s not that it’s ever going to take him away from his other wives, really, physicially forever. And I do believe it definitely impacted the relationships unintentionally and he has to work a little bit harder to give more to these other women. That’s just 100% my feelings from what I’ve seen. I think that just on a side note that Janelle and Christine are amazing. I think that Christine gives her all to her family. She just doesn’t, I’ve never personally experienced any. She doesn’t make anything public. Her feelings are her feelings and she pretty much keeps it inside. When I was around them I just saw her just be this super amazing mom who, she just adores her kids and takes extra care of her family, she’s very sweet with Kody and with all of her sister wives. That’s all I’ve ever seen is her being really sweet. And Janelle, when I was around her, she’s so nice and down to Earth, such a good person. I really think that they love the other wives. And as far as Meri is concerned from my opinion of her, she just adores her daughter, her daughter is her life. And her relationship with Kody is crap and she found whatever she found in Samuel that fulfilled it or what she has always wanted and never knew she needed. I guess the, I can’t sit here and just put all of this blame on Kody because I know it takes two in every relationship. But at the same time, he’s doing what he needs to do to publicly protect his family and I believe that. But I don’t think he’s being honest with himself.

Meri’s confession to you

I thought it was strange to tell me these things because she was in this position where she was denying everything so much. But I did get upset with her it was after the Tell-All, I did get upset. Why are you acting like this, why are you guys acting like this, I don’t understand it’s so fake. Nobody is going to believe this Tell-All, there’s no way they would believe the Tell-All. And nobody really did, nobody really did. They (The fans) couldn’t believe it. She said well you know, I don’t remember word for word but she basically responded with she understood completely how I was feeling and she responded with, she just basically couldn’t. She fell in love with him (Samuel) I mean that’s it and she couldn’t deny it and she couldn’t go out there and publicly say it because then it would hurt the family. And the family is, she’s got to sit here and now protect the family and the mistake she’s made. And she just doesn’t know what to do anymore.

How did it feel like knowing they weren’t really happy?

I had this image of this family for so many years. Kody just this great protecter. He had these wives he took such great care of and he brought this wife in and it was difficult for everyone to adjust and they finally started to adjust. Robyn was finally starting to feel a part of the family. So I had this wonderful image of how great things were. And to see it not be that way was so crushing. It really was crushing for me. It was emotional. It was hard to see it was hard to watch with so much sadness occurr. That was the worst part for me always believing that Meri was the strong first wife, she just kind of dealt with whatever. To know that it was so far from the truth and she was really literally breaking inside.

 

 

 

 

 

Kendra’s Interview Part 2

interview  The second part of Kendra’s interview.

 

 

 

How did you get proof of the affair?

This is the thing though, is that Lindsay never would tell me anything, no matter what I said. So going back I was thinking there is no way she’s going to even talk to me or anything. She’s just going to keep shutting me down. I’m never going to get any validation on what’s going on. Even though I’ve spoken to Samuel on the phone before and I had ideas in my head of what was really going on I needed something more. More kind of proof like evidence that there was an actual relationship between Meri and this person.  So that’s when I confronted Lindsay about it. And Lindsay started to send me pictures and snippets of recordings, conversations, voicemails.

What did you do after you saw evidence?

And at that point in time I reached out to Meri because listen, you don’t have. You don’t put yourself that far (Meaning Samuel) out there on the line whether it’s a voicemail or a picture or a letter if you’ve not had a relationship with somebody. Nobody in their right mind would do that, as intimate and personal as it was, unless you are having a physical relationship with somebody. And that’s when I brought that up to Robyn and I sent the information to Robyn and I probably at that point shouldn’t have but I was so like, I couldn’t believe it what I was hearing. It was like Robyn you are being lied to by Meri she’s not being honest with you and that’s when I talked to Meri about it. And I told Robyn I need to talk to Meri about it. I want to know exactly what in the hell is going on because I’m stuck in the middle of all of this.

What did you think about all the evidence after talking to Robyn?

And I need to know what the truth is. You can’t, I’m sorry but evidence is evidence. Go ahead and twist it anyway you want. I still am not going to. I can not erase the evidence from my mind it’s just not going to go away. And especially the voicemails and the pictures. Because everything she was saying was replying to a conversation that she had to have had with this guy. Right? Or a picture was taken in a response to an action he sent to her. It’s not like she’s just doing this in mid-air to some stranger. She can’t be that stupid, she’s a public figure.

What did you think after talking to Meri about her catfish story?

I just didn’t believe her. I just didn’t believe her. I kept telling her it’s okay Meri I don’t care. I’m not at this point of the stage of everything I’m not going to sit here and condemn you for loving this person. Or doing these pictures or sending these voicemails or sharing your love for somebody. I just want to know what the hell is going on because it’s driving me crazy. I have you(Meri) telling me one thing, and I have Lindsay not telling me anything just sending me pictures and voicemails. Do you see what the conflict is here? I have your words Meri versus everything Lindsay has ever told me has come up to be backed up with evidence, like actual evidence. (Kendra was sent a lot more information at this point than anyone knows about, sexually explicit photos and videos proving Meri and Samuel were having a sexual relationship)

What about all of the articles coming out?

Because at the same exact time articles were coming out saying and stating that I was giving interviews in regards to, that Robyn and I had actually created this catfish storyline. To get rid of Meri. So that Robyn can have Kody all to herself. And then it was Lindsay and I were working together to get rid of Meri for whatever. It was all these scenarios that were not true they were all fake and they were all drummed up. And at no time since between any of this did any of the Browns step forward and say no way. It’s not true. They never defended the truth publicly ever. And when I went to Meri I finally had said to her I said, Meri the best thing you can do for your fans’ sake and your family’s sake is just be honest with the actual truth. Don’t lie, don’t deny, don’t whatever. Because you can not deny the pictures. You can not deny the voicemails.

Who started harassing you?

Meri befriended and still is actively is friends on Twitter with, we’re talking going 5 years back or so. There were tons of hate groups created against the Brown family for years. These are the people we have been fighting against for years. People that put out all the information about the welfare fraud or you know just terrible information about Robyn. These are the people that did really inappropriate things, mean, to pictures in regards to their children. Meri decided to befriend these people.

What did you think about Meri’s public statement?

Within this time period I was contacted anonymously by a few different women claiming that they had been catfished as well. Same scenario. Amazing, right? The same scenario they wouldn’t give up their names, identifications or phone numbers. So I got a few calls that were out of, they were all coming from Vegas, which is very ironic. Strange, don’t you think? And so I asked Meri about it, I reached out to her and she said, she claimed that she would help anybody that had been through this before. But yet she was not willing to help these women or hear their stories she referred us to the FBI. That they (The Family) had already opened up a case with the FBI and that was the referral that she wanted us to do. So that’s when I went and contacted the FBI for these women, because my gosh they were totally taken advantage of and how terrible is that, it’s a terrible thing. And the FBI basically laughed, literally on the phone and said there is no case first of all. Second of all, this is nonsense and we don’t have time for this, that it’s garbage. Take it somewhere else.

You don’t believe Meri was catfished?

No I don’t believe there was a catfish because a catfish scenario. Very common, typical catfish according to Nev Schulman from the Catfish show and Max, you know Max, right? (Yes we do) A catfish never wants to be discovered. A catfish will hide behind another person’s identity. An actual person’s identity so there is actually a traceable human being attached to a catfisher. It’s not an imaginary person made up. There’s actually somebody there that they are pretending to be. That’s how 99.9% of cases are. Once the catfisher is caught they usually disappear or they never want to be heard of again. They don’t continue to put themselves out there publicly. They don’t catfish celebrities most of the time and if they do, the just disappear. They don’t want to be caught. Most of the catfishers out there are people that are just insecure who have had a tough time and they just wanted a little attention. Well once they get the attention or they get caught they’re gone. So in my opinion if this is a true catfish scenario why is it someone’s still around?  It doesn’t make any sense. Especially after all this horrific nonsense. People are still around.

What did you feel about the catfish story?

After all of this came about and the discussions had happened between Robyn and I, I reached out to Meri and said that we really need to talk, again, this was via the phone. And that’s when I let her know I was heavily in communication with Lindsay and Samuel and that unfortunately because at a week or so prior Robyn had convinced me that this was fake and that they were being smeared and catfished and this was not real that there was no man. And so I approached Lindsay with a bit of frustration or I was pretty much pissed because I know what was going on and I knew what she (Lindsay) knew was happening. And then I have this family over here telling me nothing ever happened she never met anybody and all of this nonsense and I was like okay well that’s just great. And then Lindsay was like okay I guess the best thing to do is prove to you.

What does this scandal do for Polygamy?

See I’m going to go back to my own soapbox and my own power here and I still don’t care. I think I made this clear multiple times to everybody involved. At the end of the day I still don’t care what happened. What really truly happened was here is this family that’s supposed to be the public polygamy whatever you want to call them, role models out there. To bring the nation, the world, together to understand that this is a possibility that families can live in many different ways whether it be gay,straight, polygamy life, multiple wives. They can be happy, fully functioning, honest, good familes. They had their chance, they had the best platform to portray this in and it’s turned into a complete mess and a complete joke. It’s taken a lot of people down with them. That’s the problem, at the end of the day, she made a decision to step outside of her marriage and seek love elsewhere. I don’t care how this scenario turned out in other people’s minds, I don’t care what she’s trying to say happened. The sad part is, back to square one.

Kendra’s Interview 1st Part

 

interview  Kendra was interviewed about the affair and what she knew, who she told, and what she found out later on. Here are a few snippets of her interview.

 

 

What did Samuel say about the affair?

He was really sweet. He told me, he got really emotional I believe he even cried about it. He told me that they fell in love. That was pretty much it. It wasn’t like planned. They started out as friends. But it just grew. Yeah, he adores her. And that was, I mean it was really simple it wasn’t that much. But he kept it to the point.

 

Why did your opinion of the family change?

I was always on the line for them and when I started to see their reality unfold as to be completely fake and just staged. I was, I started to, yeah, I lost compelete faith in them. And it’s not just one thing it’s been multiple things. Empty promises from Robyn. Only needing me when she needed something. You know, it’s been like a series of things. A series of let downs. It’s not even about, I’m not sitting here crying to myself I’m actually really happy and proud of myself for pulling away and being really honest about it because I’ve had everyone I know around me say the same things and I’ve ignored it. And then to have it really be true, this thing with Meri was the kicker. It really was. Because the situation is it doesn’t matter, honest to God it doesn’t matter what occurred with whom or whatever. What matters is this woman felt desperate that she needed to find love elsewhere and that’s because her home was so broken. That’s the truth of the matter. So the rest of it really doesn’t matter she was a very broken bad, desperate person. And that only happens when you are being neglected at home. And it’s impossible when you have a huge family like that. For her to be that hurt and let down, it was really sad to me. And it makes me more sad that Robyn was selffish. That she didn’t take time to go, you know what Kody you spend too much time with me, go be with your wives. She didn’t encourage any of that shit. She had no problem with him always being at her house, sneaking in the door. He would leave 10, 11 o’clock at night and go be with whoever he needed to be with and be right back in her bed at 6 in the morning. That is not how it should be. So all of that changed my opinion of everybody. It really did.

Who did you tell when you found out?

And my thing the whole time to Kody was, Kody. I told Kody, I think I told Kody and I told Robyn, I know I told Robyn I don’t remember if Kody was in the room. I was like why don’t you just go and woo her back? I don’t understand. Here is your wife, she’s fallen for someone else and he didn’t believe at first(The affair). You know, he clearly didn’t believe it but then he, he knew. He knew it was going on and then he started to believe it and once he realized what was going on, that’s when he was like I’m taking this piece of shit guy down. And that’s when we were like dude it goes both ways. If she’s not happy here and you’re making it clear that you’re unhappy with her anyway, who cares? You know, I mean you either woo her back or you let her go. You have two choices. That’s pretty much all it is, right?

What happened when you went to Meri’s house to ask about the rumors?
The very first time, going over and talking to her. What happened was she was not. She was totally withdrawn from the family, she wasn’t communicating with anybody, she sat in the corner. I was there visiting and I was like something is not right with her. I knew something wasn’t right. Robyn had said many times Meri is totally withdrawn. All of them had said she pulled away from the whole family. Completely. And it’s true. So when I actually saw it I was like, well I know exactly what’s  going on (The affair) and I’m going to go talk to her about it before I talk to anybody else about it because I thought that was just the right thing to do. So I said can we talk? And we went and talked in Christine’s house for a few minutes and then she said you know what. After I brought up the Sam thing, after we went back to Robyn’s house, she sent me a text and said maybe you should come over here and we should talk about this. You know, more indepth. Privately. And so I went over there (To Meri’s house) and we sat down and I said look I know what’s going on. I’ve seen all the messages (On twitter), you know I was getting everything from fans in the groups so I didn’t really know what was going on until I started researching it. When I  finally went on twitter I said you know you’re obviously perfectly very open and aware that this is happening publicly (The affair). And you’re not having an issue with it and it’s totally inappropriate.

When did Robyn tell you Meri confirmed the affair was real?

Yeah, that’s when she went, she’s like I talked to Meri and everything’s okay. But Meri made it clear to her that she was ending it. She was like leaving Samuel I believe, that she had fallen in love. That like, it was going to be over (The affair). Because she mislead Robyn too. Unfortunately. She mislead Robyn because we all knew darn well that wasn’t over. And Robyn started to believe her. I had, that’s when she (Meri) got on the I have to support my family train that started to really make me upset because she(Robyn) wasn’t listening(That the affair really wasn’t over, Meri was misleading Robyn to believe it was over).

What has the family done to hurt your public image?

What this family has done is they dragged, allowed my name, Lindsay’s name, any person who was involved in this scenario at all to be dragged through the mud.

What did you think about Samuel after talking to him for the first time?

He was very open about himself like, he introduced himself to me. I was a little bit shocked that he was even real to be honest. Because there were so many people saying he wasn’t real or he was just some guy she met, he wasn’t in love her. You know what I mean, like I don’t know. I was just still shocked that he was, here’s this guy. And he’s so, he’s so nice.

What did you tell her about what you saw on twitter?

You know what and she spent the whole time playing on her phone. And I’m like okay cool I get it. So I said to her. I said I understand you’re not happy. I’ve known for a very long time that you’ve been unhappy through Robyn. Robyn tells me everything. That’s another truth that, yes she told me everything. I know you’ve been miserable. I know your marriage turned out to not be exactly what you hoped for. I know all of these things. So if you’ve found somebody I think it’s amazing and I think you should go for it and I’m not speaking as Robyn’s friend and I wasn’t speaking as, what I already knew personally. I was speaking in the realm of Once you find something so amazing you need to go for it.

What did Meri say when you asked what was going on?

She was coy she was like I can’t explain it. It’s like her. You could read it all over her face. She was happy. She was in love. She was in the glow state. And she was like he’s just a friend and she would just laugh laugh laugh giggle. He makes me happy. He’s somebody I can talk to. He gets me. He understands me. I haven’t had this for a long time.

What did Robyn say about the rumors?

I told her something was going on. And she was kind of like “What do you mean? Show me” like so we kind of did our own investigating together. Pretty much did it together because I was with her. So, we pulled everything up. Fans started posting on her group on her Facebook page (Robyn Sullivan Brown Sister Wife #4 page that has been taken down by Robyn for the past 7 months now) oh look what Meri’s doing look who Meri’s talking to. Who’s Sam who’s this guy, who’s this guy? And that meeting was the night we didn’t have too much information at that point because we were both trying to figure it out.

What did Meri’s daughter think about the rumors?

I was there the second time. Mariah was there she had gone to get juice. Jambo juice or something. And we were talking and I said, and that’s when I was really like open to Meri and I said you know I see what’s going on with this, cause I had already had conversations with Kody and Robyn and I knew exactly where his head was at. Nothing was going to change for Meri at home, you know. Things had changed so much that she was never going to find happiness like she found with this guy. So I basically was like, I think that you need to just go for it and I basically encouraged her to leave. I said that you need to go find yourself and your happiness. And I think you already found it and I think its the best thing for you. Well Mariah, Mariah wasn’t happy with any of it at all. She was pissed actually. She thought it was disgusting and embarrasing and disturbing. And she thought from what Robyn and everyone said she was completely unsupportive of Meri. She was disgusted with Meri. All this family ever said of Meri is she was mentally ill and she was insane.

Meri sold you on the fact that Samuel was supporting her and loving her?

My concerns of um, them having this, carrying this relationship on. But you know, he (Samuel) was like she’s unhappy, she’s miserable there. You know. Um, he was supporting her. That was totally understandable. Of course he’s going to support her. I would expect anyone to support the person that they fall in love with. She had me sold on that.

How Did Meri act when you asked about things?

I could see in her face that she was totally done. Like, she was, it was all about her and this guy. So it didn’t matter.

Did Robyn Know?

Robyn was with me the whole time. Robyn was kind of like “Oops I can’t tell anyone I know this. Nobody can know. Meri can not know, nobody can know”. She wanted to be off record completely, knowing anything, yet she knew everything the whole time.